Do you think this is "stealing"?

[LoricaLady]

From Amazon I ordered a pretty big kitchen appliance that, with parts, came in 3 separate, and large, boxes. It was defective so I had to send it back. No way I was going to take the time to put everything back exactly as it was sent and drag those 3 boxes to UPS. I did make sure all the equipment, though, and instruction books, were included in one return box in a way that was very unlikely to lead to damage in transit - and got my refund.

But then I got to thinking, on the one hand you could say those two empty boxes, with their inked on pretty red bows, and one egg carton type thing left behind, belonged to the manufacturer. On the other hand, I didn't get compensated for all the frustration I felt, and all the time I wasted, trying to get the darned machine to work, nor compensation for having to pack everything up and drag a heavy box to UPS, so I figure we are even. Your opinion?

 

[Sabertooth]

Unless there is more to the story, I can't see anybody sweating the packing materials.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

If it really was defective, then the exact method of packaging probably isn't important, because they can't/shouldn't turn it around and sell it to anyone else, anyway. I have seen packages that upon close inspection appeared to be items previously ordered, tampered with and then returned, only to be sold again. Having it look just as nice upon return only made it easier for the seller to keep sending it until someone eventually procrastinated too long to send it back.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You want to be "even" with the world ?
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QUOTE="LoricaLady, post: 72880800, member: 246985"]From Amazon I ordered a pretty big kitchen appliance that, with parts, came in 3 separate, and large, boxes. It was defective so I had to send it back. No way I was going to take the time to put everything back exactly as it was sent and drag those 3 boxes to UPS. I did make sure all the equipment, though, and instruction books, were included in one return box in a way that was very unlikely to lead to damage in transit - and got my refund.

But then I got to thinking, on the one hand you could say those two empty boxes, with their inked on pretty red bows, and one egg carton type thing left behind, belonged to the manufacturer. On the other hand, I didn't get compensated for all the frustration I felt, and all the time I wasted, trying to get the darned machine to work, nor compensation for having to pack everything up and drag a heavy box to UPS, so I figure we are even. Your opinion?[/QUOTE

 

[LoricaLady]

If it really was defective, then the exact method of packaging probably isn't important, because they can't/shouldn't turn it around and sell it to anyone else, anyway. I have seen packages that upon close inspection appeared to be items previously ordered, tampered with and then returned, only to be sold again. Having it look just as nice upon return only made it easier for the seller to keep sending it until someone eventually procrastinated too long to send it back.

Now there's an interesting point of view!

 

[dreadnought]

From Amazon I ordered a pretty big kitchen appliance that, with parts, came in 3 separate, and large, boxes. It was defective so I had to send it back. No way I was going to take the time to put everything back exactly as it was sent and drag those 3 boxes to UPS. I did make sure all the equipment, though, and instruction books, were included in one return box in a way that was very unlikely to lead to damage in transit - and got my refund.

But then I got to thinking, on the one hand you could say those two empty boxes, with their inked on pretty red bows, and one egg carton type thing left behind, belonged to the manufacturer. On the other hand, I didn't get compensated for all the frustration I felt, and all the time I wasted, trying to get the darned machine to work, nor compensation for having to pack everything up and drag a heavy box to UPS, so I figure we are even. Your opinion?

I don't think you stole anything.

 

[LoricaLady]

You want to be "even" with the world ?
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QUOTE="LoricaLady, post: 72880800, member: 246985"]From Amazon I ordered a pretty big kitchen appliance that, with parts, came in 3 separate, and large, boxes. It was defective so I had to send it back. No way I was going to take the time to put everything back exactly as it was sent and drag those 3 boxes to UPS. I did make sure all the equipment, though, and instruction books, were included in one return box in a way that was very unlikely to lead to damage in transit - and got my refund.

But then I got to thinking, on the one hand you could say those two empty boxes, with their inked on pretty red bows, and one egg carton type thing left behind, belonged to the manufacturer. On the other hand, I didn't get compensated for all the frustration I felt, and all the time I wasted, trying to get the darned machine to work, nor compensation for having to pack everything up and drag a heavy box to UPS, so I figure we are even. Your opinion?[/QUOTE

It is part of our culture, and not unBiblical, for those who have done us damage to grant compensation in some way. This happens all the time in courts of law. And I wasn't "even", really, because those two left behind boxes no way make up for my wasted time and frustration. As someone above said, the product was defective, so they shouldn't use the boxes and pack it up to someone else anyway.

 

[LoricaLady]

I don't think you stole anything.

Thanks. I gotta say I didn't feel convicted that I did.

 

[LoricaLady]

Unless there is more to the story, I can't see anybody sweating the packing materials.

There is nothing more to the story. I try to be comprehensive.

 

[LoricaLady]

P.S. Sabertooth Well, there there was one other thing.... I had hurt my hand and arm a couple of days before that, in a fall. Re-packing the box, and carrying it to the car and to UPS etc. was kinda concerning and sometimes a bit painful. So the only problems the equipment gave me were not just lost time and frustration.

 

[ewq1938]

Someone stole the first post haha

 

[dqhall]

From Amazon I ordered a pretty big kitchen appliance that, with parts, came in 3 separate, and large, boxes. It was defective so I had to send it back. No way I was going to take the time to put everything back exactly as it was sent and drag those 3 boxes to UPS. I did make sure all the equipment, though, and instruction books, were included in one return box in a way that was very unlikely to lead to damage in transit - and got my refund.

But then I got to thinking, on the one hand you could say those two empty boxes, with their inked on pretty red bows, and one egg carton type thing left behind, belonged to the manufacturer. On the other hand, I didn't get compensated for all the frustration I felt, and all the time I wasted, trying to get the darned machine to work, nor compensation for having to pack everything up and drag a heavy box to UPS, so I figure we are even. Your opinion?

Not worth shipping an empty box to the shipper. Might be better to put three boxes in one larger box to ship back if it happens again.

 

[Dave L]

From Amazon I ordered a pretty big kitchen appliance that, with parts, came in 3 separate, and large, boxes. It was defective so I had to send it back. No way I was going to take the time to put everything back exactly as it was sent and drag those 3 boxes to UPS. I did make sure all the equipment, though, and instruction books, were included in one return box in a way that was very unlikely to lead to damage in transit - and got my refund.

But then I got to thinking, on the one hand you could say those two empty boxes, with their inked on pretty red bows, and one egg carton type thing left behind, belonged to the manufacturer. On the other hand, I didn't get compensated for all the frustration I felt, and all the time I wasted, trying to get the darned machine to work, nor compensation for having to pack everything up and drag a heavy box to UPS, so I figure we are even. Your opinion?

I bought some discounted goods from Amazon people returned. Their description said something like "might not include original packaging" or "might have cosmetic issues". And several of these items came in repackaged cartons that were not original. I normally buy seconds or repackaged if given the choice and Amazon is always great with customer service if anything isn't right.

 

[ewq1938]

I bought some discounted goods from Amazon people returned. Their description said something like "might not include original packaging" or "might have cosmetic issues". And several of these items came in repackaged cartons that were not original. I normally buy seconds or repackaged if given the choice and Amazon is always great with customer service if anything isn't right.

Where do you find these?

 

[JIMINZ]

Where do you find these?

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In the dumpster behind Amazon.

 

[JIMINZ]

From Amazon I ordered a pretty big kitchen appliance that, with parts, came in 3 separate, and large, boxes. It was defective so I had to send it back. No way I was going to take the time to put everything back exactly as it was sent and drag those 3 boxes to UPS. I did make sure all the equipment, though, and instruction books, were included in one return box in a way that was very unlikely to lead to damage in transit - and got my refund.

But, then I got to thinking, on the one hand you could say those two empty boxes, with their inked on pretty red bows, and one egg carton type thing left behind, belonged to the manufacturer. On the other hand, I didn't get compensated for all the frustration I felt, and all the time I wasted, trying to get the darned machine to work, nor compensation for having to pack everything up and drag a heavy box to UPS, so I figure we are even. Your opinion?

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If you intended to keep the boxes, and the egg carton thingy, for some nefarious purpose, then yes, you stole them.

But, if what you did was for your convenience, and the boxes were left over after repackaging, then no.

God is not going to ascribe sin to you because you are a more efficient packer than Amazon is.

 

[LoricaLady]

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If you intended to keep the boxes, and the egg carton thingy, for some nefarious purpose, then yes, you stole them.

But, if what you did was for your convenience, and the boxes were left over after repackaging, then no.

God is not going to ascribe sin to you because you are a more efficient packer than Amazon is.

I have negative interest in the boxes or the egg carton type things. They have to be broken down and cut apart to fit into garbage bags, a hassle.

 

[ewq1938]

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In the dumpster behind Amazon.

You said you bought the items.

 

[JIMINZ]

You said you bought the items.

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David L above #13

 

[Dave L]

Where do you find these?

If you look closely, many times Amazon will have different purchase options. "Buy used" or "Buy reconditioned" etc., linked on the same page as the item you are considering. Then the details about repackaging or scratch and dent follow on the linked page along with the different price options. I don't think every item allows for this, but many do.