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Do you need an ID to buy a box of cereal, as Donald Trump said? Of course not

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by tulc, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. tulc

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    Donald Trump's Pants on Fire claim you need ID to buy cereal
    tulc(this is President Trumps 92nd pants on fire) :wave:
     
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  2. SkyWriting

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    Functionally correct. You don't need an ID for many credit transactions
    or any cash transactions. Though if you can't prove his lie was intentional
    then it's not even a lie. Then it's just an incorrect statement.

    If you realized that he was simply saying something wrong
    and claimed Pant O F, then you should be concerned about
    your pantaloons smoking yourself.
     
  3. tulc

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    hmmm...you might be right, maybe they might need a new sort of ruling? Maybe a "hard to believe someone is this out of touch and isn't being watched by some sort of legal guardian" ruling? :scratch:
    tulc(may make that suggestion) :wave:
     
  4. FenderTL5

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    Rather than a lie, Trump is merely ignorant in this regard.
    that's helpful.
     
  5. SkyWriting

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    Trump has been this way for 20 years.
     
  6. The Barbarian

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    No, he's been coddled by Daddy from day one. And when Daddy wasn't doing it any more, he hired coddlers to insulate him as much as possible from the consequences of his behavior.

    He never takes personal responsibility for anything because he's never had to.
     
  7. SkyWriting

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    My mistake then.
    He's been this way for 19 years.
    He's been considered as a potential presidential candidate for over 20 years.
     
  8. The Barbarian

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    Actually, a little longer than that His speech deteriorated from about the late 80s.

    And then...


    This relates to the OP. What adult, who still has all his facilities, believes you need ID to buy cereal? Even if that popped into your head, you'd immediately reject it "no, that's absurd." He doesn't do that. Stuff that you and I would dismiss in an instant, sticks in his mind, and pops out of his mouth.

    There's something way past narcissism wrong with him.
     
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  9. SkyWriting

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    In his world, nobody pays with cash. He pays for HIS cereal
    with a debit or credit card. Likely "his people" do not get
    cash to buy groceries for him either.
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    I disagree. The two videos show the same intellect in my opinion.
    It's the same guy, just on different topics.
     
  11. The Barbarian

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    No one is that out of touch. Even the most narcissistic person who has servants to do things for him, is aware that others don't live that way. And what human in American would be so out of touch with society that he thought an ID card was necessary to use a debit card?
     
  12. The Barbarian

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    Doesn't matter. It's not just everyday people who have noticed. Linguists have also noted the deterioration of his speed. Occasionally, his speech even becomes slurred.

    There's something seriously wrong.

    Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?
    It was the kind of utterance that makes professional transcribers question their career choice:

    “ … there is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign, but I can always speak for myself — and the Russians, zero.”

    When President Trump offered that response to a question at a press conference last week, it was the latest example of his tortured syntax, mid-thought changes of subject, and apparent trouble formulating complete sentences, let alone a coherent paragraph, in unscripted speech.

    In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which — and this is no mean feat — would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn’t build housing for working-class Americans.

    Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as “subsided,” “inclination,” “discredited,” “sparring session,” and “a certain innate intelligence.” He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, “It could have been a contentious route,” and, “These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated.” He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: “If you get into what’s missing, you don’t appreciate what you have,” and, “Adversity is a very funny thing.”

    Now, Trump’s vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:

    “People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it — you’ve been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it’s funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall.”

    For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.
    Trump used to be more articulate. What could explain the change?

    There's a marked decline. And it's not getting better.
     
  13. The Barbarian

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    Although neither Johnson nor other experts STAT consulted said the apparent loss of linguistic fluency was unambiguous evidence of mental decline, most thought something was going on.

    John Montgomery, a psychologist in New York City and adjunct professor at New York University, said “it’s hard to say definitively without rigorous testing” of Trump’s speaking patterns, “but I think it’s pretty safe to say that Trump has had significant cognitive decline over the years.”

    No one observing Trump from afar, though, can tell whether that’s “an indication of dementia, of normal cognitive decline that many people experience as they age, or whether it’s due to other factors” such as stress and emotional upheaval, said Montgomery, who is not a Trump supporter.

    Even a Trump supporter saw and heard striking differences between interviews from the 1980s and 1990s and those of 2017, however. “I can see what people are responding to,” said Dr. Robert Pyles, a psychiatrist in suburban Boston. He heard “a difference in tone and pace. … What I did not detect was any gaps in mentation or meaning. I don’t see any clear evidence of neurological or cognitive dysfunction.”


    Johnson cautioned that language can deteriorate for other reasons. “His language difficulties could be due to the immense pressure he’s under, or to annoyance that things aren’t going right and that there are all these scandals,” he said. “It could also be due to a neurodegenerative disease or the normal cognitive decline that comes with aging.” Trump will be 71 next month.
    Trump used to be more articulate. What could explain the change?
     
  14. SkyWriting

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    No measurable change from the campaign trail. So nothing surprising to voters.

    Trumps approval ratings
     
  15. The Barbarian

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    But there is a marked decline in speech from a few decades ago. And he only started slurring his words this year. Even a psychiatrist who is a Trump supporter says that it could be the result of a neurodegenerative disease.
     
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  17. jgarden

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    Do you need an ID to buy a box of cereal, as Donald Trump said? Of course not

    When was the last time "The Donald" bought, or even examined, the contents of a box of cereal?

    Why are these unsubstantiated accusations of voter fraud always directed at the Democrats - given its the Republicans that are responsible for overseeing elections in most states and are in a far better position to undermine the democratic process!
     
  18. creslaw

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    "And the common people heard him gladly".

    Being a very common person I heard Trump say we require id for many life situations so why not when we vote.

    The pettiness never ceases to amaze me.

    .
     
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  19. tulc

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    ...did you actually just apply a Scripture about Jesus to President Trump? :eek:


    No, what you heard was a guy who probably honestly doesn't know you don't need ID in order to buy a box of cereal pretending he knows what he's talking about and managing to look pretty silly while he's doing so. That you don't want people to point out how goofy he sounds doesn't change the fact that A) he has no idea how people who don't have golden toilets live and B) it doesn't matter to his followers how out of touch he is with...well pretty much all of reality at this point...they are still going to support anything he does/says. :sigh:

    ...if pettiness is so troubling shouldn't you be telling the people who put such a petty man in office? :scratch:
    tulc(just a suggestion)
     
  20. The Barbarian

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    This is a guy who pulled the security clearance for a retired and highly-respected U.S. diplomat, because he hurt Trump's feelings. Trump responds to the slightest criticism with hysterical overreaction.

    Petty? Yes.
     
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