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Featured Do you go directly to heaven after you die?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Neostarwcc, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    Right our bodies are not immortal but our soul is. There has to be some place for our spirits to go. And I don't believe in ghosts or that we wander the Earth when we die. Our spirits are only in one of two places Hades or heaven.
     
  2. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    That is SO true I didn't think of that.
     
  3. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    This Fulfilled Acts 1:11
     
  4. redleghunter

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    Why would it be a blind faith?

    You can.

    You did not attempt to harmonized them but pitted them against each other.

    He never said that.

    Whose righteousness would that be imputed to us?

    No, context is key. Pitting verses against each other creates a pretext and by extension a contradiction of one's own making.

    Of course

    Of course.
     
  5. His student

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    IMO - those who teach soul sleep (for us while we await further judgment in the future) usually do so to avoid the concept of salvation by grace through faith alone and that believers receive salvation here and now based on that faith - having passed from death to life never again to come into condemnation and are sealed by His Spirit when they exercise saving faith.
     
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  6. Pethesedzao

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    A believer goes directly to Paradise when they leave this Earth. No one can go to where the Throne of God is until the Bride is presented to her Bridegroom.
     
  7. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    I didn't say that it was a blind faith I said that it felt like it was. Like for example have you ever felt like your faith in Jesus was a blind faith? I mean think about it. We only believe in Jesus because God called us to do so. God chose each and every one of us. But doesn't some days feel like our faith is blind? Obviously that is the devil telling us that but its true for me personally. I've been tempted by the devil in many different ways. But its the same with biblical inerrancy. Christians believe the bible is inerrant without any outside proof that it is. We just believe it automatically to be the inerrant word of God without any outside proof (just like Jesus) just because scripture says that all scripture is God breathed and because God has placed that belief in our hearts. Am I making sense now? If not I apologize.
     
  8. rockytopva

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    Absent from the body.... Present with the Lord!

    6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
    7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
    8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Corinthians 5
     
  9. David Neos

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    Paul said to work out your salvation with fear and treamblig, so the idea that Paul believed in salvation by not obeying God is false.
     
  10. His student

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    I'm not where you can get something like that. :scratch:

    Stephen saw Him quite clearly in Heaven and not returning to earth in the way He had gone up. There was no cloud in sight such as received Him into Heaven in Acts 1.

    When He comes again - every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him. So far as the scriptures say - no saw Him that day but Stephen.
     
  11. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Well, Acts 1:11 is very clear...
    11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

    How did Jesus Enter Heaven?
    Hidden from their eyes by a cloud (Acts 1:9)

    The Heavens opened.

    Which would be 100% UNLIKE what happened in Acts 1:11, for only the Apostles saw Him go.

    Acts 9:3-6 would be another time Acts 1:11 was literally fulfilled.
     
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  12. Albion

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    Personally, I don't know anyone who thinks that "salvation is by not obeying God."

    Be that as it may, Paul believed in salvation by faith despite ones sins.
     
  13. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    Do you go directly to heaven after you die?

    No


    When one dies they rest in the grave. 1st resurrection is of the saved (Jesus returns) and are forever more with the Lord, 2nd resurrection is of the unsaved. NO ONE is immortal until the 1st resurrection. Then we are changed. Paul pretty well sums it up here:

    1 Thessalonians 4

    The Return of the Lord

    13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

    15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

    18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

    Other supporting verses:

    State of the Dead


    Psalm 90:3-6

    You turn man back into dust And say, "Return, O children of men." For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew.

    Job 7:21

    "Why then do You not pardon my transgression And take away my iniquity? For now I will lie down in the dust; And You will seek me, but I will not be."

    Job 14:10-12

    "But man dies and lies prostrate Man expires, and where is he? "As water evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, So man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens are no longer, He will not awake nor be aroused out of his sleep.

    Psalm 13:3

    Consider and answer me, O LORD my God; Enlighten my eyes, or I will sleep the sleep of death,

    Daniel 12:2

    "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

    Matthew 9:24

    He said, "Leave; for the girl has not died, but is asleep." And they began laughing at Him.

    Mark 5:39

    And entering in, He said to them, "Why make a commotion and weep? The child has not died, but is asleep."

    Luke 8:52-53

    Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, "Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep." And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died.

    1 Kings 2:10

    Then David slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David.

    Deuteronomy 31:16

    The LORD said to Moses, "Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers; and this people will arise and play the harlot with the strange gods of the land, into the midst of which they are going, and will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them.

    2 Samuel 7:12

    "When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom.

    1 Kings 11:43

    And Solomon slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of his father David, and his son Rehoboam reigned in his place.

    1 Kings 14:20

    The time that Jeroboam reigned was twenty-two years; and he slept with his fathers, and Nadab his son reigned in his place.

    1 Kings 16:6

    And Baasha slept with his fathers and was buried in Tirzah, and Elah his son became king in his place.

    1 Kings 22:50

    And Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers and was buried with his fathers in the city of his father David, and Jehoram his son became king in his place.

    2 Kings 14:16

    So Jehoash slept with his fathers and was buried in Samaria with the kings of Israel; and Jeroboam his son became king in his place.

    2 Kings 15:7

    And Azariah slept with his fathers, and they buried him with his fathers in the city of David, and Jotham his son became king in his place.

    2 Kings 16:20

    So Ahaz slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David; and his son Hezekiah reigned in his place.

    2 Kings 20:21

    So Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and Manasseh his son became king in his place.

    2 Kings 21:18

    And Manasseh slept with his fathers and was buried in the garden of his own house, in the garden of Uzza, and Amon his son became king in his place.

    Revelation 14:13

    And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."


    John 11:11-14

    This He said, and after that He said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep." The disciples then said to Him, "Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover." Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that He was speaking of literal sleep.

    Acts 7:60

    Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.

    1 Corinthians 15:6

    After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;

    John 5:28-29

    "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

    Job 14:13-15

    "Oh that You would hide me in Sheol, That You would conceal me until Your wrath returns to You, That You would set a limit for me and remember me! "If a man dies, will he live again? All the days of my struggle I will wait Until my change comes. "You will call, and I will answer You; You will long for the work of Your hands.

    Psalm 17:15

    As for me, I shall behold Your face in righteousness; I will be satisfied with Your likeness when I awake.

    Isaiah 26:19

    Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.


    Luke 16:22-23

    "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.

    1 Corinthians 15:20

    But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

    Jeremiah 51:57

    "I will make her princes and her wise men drunk, Her governors, her prefects and her mighty men, That they may sleep a perpetual sleep and not wake up," Declares the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.


    Psalm 7:3-5

    O LORD my God, if I have done this, If there is injustice in my hands, If I have rewarded evil to my friend, Or have plundered him who without cause was my adversary, Let the enemy pursue my soul and overtake it; And let him trample my life down to the ground And lay my glory in the dust. Selah.

    Psalm 76:5

    The stouthearted were plundered, They sank into sleep; And none of the warriors could use his hands.

    Jeremiah 51:39

    "When they become heated up, I will serve them their banquet And make them drunk, that they may become jubilant And may sleep a perpetual sleep And not wake up," declares the LORD.
     
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  14. DamianWarS

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    you will have to ask someone who has died
     
  15. redleghunter

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    A distinction that needed saying.
     
  16. eleos1954

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    "I am going to heaven to be with God the Father". and they and we eventually will .. at His return.

    "And he did promise the thief that he would be with him in paradise." to the thief He said I tell you today ... we know according to Acts Jesus himself did not ascend until later ...

    Did Jesus lie? Was he joking?

    Luke 8

    52Meanwhile everyone was weeping and mourning for her. But Jesus said, “Stop weeping; she is not dead but asleep.” 53And they laughed at Him, knowing that she was dead.

    John 11

    11After He had said this, He (Jesus) told them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I am going there to wake him up.”

    Jesus has the power of resurrection from the dead .... so of course he terms death as sleep and all wait in the grave until He returns.

    Evidence? What about all this evidence?

    Are The Dead Really Dead?

    Adam was created by God in the beginning.
    1. How did we get here in the first place?
    "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
    Answer: God made us from dust in the beginning.

    The spirits of both the righteous and the wicked return to God. Their bodies return to dust.
    2. What happens when a person dies?
    "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.
    Answer: The body turns to dust again, and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it. The spirit of every person who dies--whether righteous or wicked--returns to God at death.

    There is nothing mysterious about the spirit that returns to God at death. It is the breath of life.
    3. What is the "spirit" that returns to God at death?
    "The body without the spirit ["breath," see margin] is dead." James 2:26. "The spirit of God ["the breath which God gave him," see margin] is in my nostrils." Job 27:3.
    Answer: The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God's book does the "spirit" have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the "breath of life" and nothing more.

    These four people are four souls.
    4. What is a "soul"?
    "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.
    Answer: A soul is a living being. A soul is always a combination of two things: body plus breath. A soul cannot exist unless body and breath are combined. God's Word teaches that we are souls.

    5. Do souls die?
    "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:20. "Every living soul died in the sea." Revelation 16:3.
    Answer: According to God's Word, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17). Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul goes against the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.

    6. Do good people go to heaven when they die?
    "All that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." John 5:28, 29. "David ... is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day." "For David is not ascended into the heavens." Acts 2:29, 34. "If I wait, the grave is mine house." Job 17:13.
    Answer: No, people do not go either to heaven or hell at death. They go to their graves to await the resurrection day.

    7. How much does one know or comprehend after death?
    "The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. "The dead praise not the Lord." Psalms 115:17.
    Answer: God says that the dead know absolutely nothing!

    Though millions think it is possible, the dead cannot communicate with the living.
    8. But can't the dead communicate with the living, and aren't they aware of what the living are doing?
    "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." "His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:12, 21. "Neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 9:6.
    Answer: No, the dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalms 146:4).

    Jesus calls death "sleep." It is a state of total unconsciousness.
    9. Jesus called the unconscious state of the dead "sleep" in John 11:11-14. How long will they sleep?
    "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." Job 14:12.

    "The day of the Lord will come ... in the which the heavens shall pass away." 2 Peter 3:10.
    Answer: The dead will sleep until the great day of the Lord at the end of the world. In death, humans are totally unconscious with no activity or knowledge of any kind.

    The righteous will be raised to life and given immortality at Jesus' second coming.
    10. What happens to the righteous dead at the second coming of Christ?
    "Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12. "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, ... and the dead in Christ shall rise ... and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17. "We shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, ... and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. ... For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.
    Answer: They will be rewarded. They will be raised, given immortal bodies, and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. There would be no purpose in a resurrection if people were taken to heaven at death.

    The devil's first lie to Eve was "You won't die" - a statement completely contrary to all Scripture.
    11. What was the devil's first lie?
    "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die." Genesis 3:4. "That old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan." Revelation 12:9.
    Answer: Satan told Eve that sin would not bring death. "Ye shall not surely die," he said.

    Those who believe the dead are alive become easy targets for the devil's deceptions.
    12. Why did the devil lie to Eve about death? Could this subject be more important than many think?

    Answer: It is one of the cornerstones of the devil's kingdom. He has worked powerful miracles down through the ages through people who claim to receive their power from the spirits of the dead. (Examples: Magicians of Egypt Exodus 7:11, Woman of Endor 1 Samuel 28:3-25, Sorcerers Daniel 2:2, A certain damsel Acts 16:16-18.)

    A Solemn Warning
    In the end-time Satan will again use sorcery as he did in Daniel's day to deceive the world (Revelation 18:23). Sorcery is a supernatural agency that claims to receive its power and wisdom from the spirits of the dead.

    Posing as Jesus' Disciples
    Posing as godly loved ones who have died, saintly clergymen who are now dead, Bible prophets, or even the apostles or disciples of Christ (2 Corinthians 11:13), Satan and his angels will deceive billions. Those who believe the dead are alive, in any form, will most assuredly be deceived.

    All miracle working is not from God, because devils also work miracles.
    13. Do devils really work miracles?
    "They are the spirits of devils, working miracles." Revelation 16:14. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24.
    Answer: Yes, indeed! Devils work incredibly convincing miracles (Revelation 13:13, 14). Satan and his angels will appear as angels of light (2 Corinthians 11:14) and, even more shocking, as Christ Himself (Matthew 24:23, 24). The universal feeling will be that Christ and His angels are leading out in a fantastic worldwide revival. The entire emphasis will seem so spiritual and be so supernatural that only God's elect will not be deceived.

    The elect will not be deceived, because they firmly reject everything that is contrary to Scripture.
    14. Why will God's people not be deceived?
    "They received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11. "If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
    Answer: God's people will know from their earnest study of His book that the dead are dead, not alive. Spirits of the dead do not exist. Therefore, God's people will reject all miracle workers and teachers who claim to receive special "light" or work miracles by contacting the spirits of the dead. And God's people will likewise reject as dangerous and false all teachings that claim the dead are alive in any form, anywhere.

    In Moses' day, people who claimed power to communicate with the dead were stoned to death.
    15. Back in Moses' day, what did God command should be done to people who taught that the dead were alive?
    "A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones." Leviticus 20:27.
    Answer: God insisted that wizards and others with "familiar spirits" (who claimed to be able to contact the dead) should be stoned to death. This shows how God regards the false teaching that the dead are alive.

    No one in God's new kingdom will ever die. Death will cease at the destruction of Satan.
    16. Will the righteous people who are raised in the resurrection ever die again?
    "They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, ... Neither can they die any more." Luke 20:35, 36. "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away." Revelation 21:4.
    Answer: No! Death, sorrow, crying, and tragedy will never enter into God's new kingdom.

    Reincarnation is impossible. Because God says all who died, both good and evil, are in their graves.
    17. Belief in reincarnation is expanding rapidly today. Is this teaching biblical?
    "The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing. ... Neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6.
    Answer: Almost half the people on earth believe in reincarnation, a teaching that the soul never dies but is instead continually reborn in a different kind of body with each succeeding generation. This teaching, however, is contrary to Scripture.

    The Bible Says
    After death a person: returns to dust (Psalms 104:29), knows nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), possesses no mental powers (Psalms 146:4), has nothing to do with anything on earth (Ecclesiastes 9:6), does not live (2 Kings 20:1), waits in the grave (Job 17:13), and continues not (Job 14:1, 2).

    Satan's Invention
    We learned in questions 11 and 12 that Satan invented the teaching that the dead are alive. Reincarnation, channeling, communication with spirits, spirit worship, and the "undying soul" are all inventions of Satan, with one aim to convince people that when you die you are not really dead. When people believe that the dead are alive, "spirits of devils, working miracles" (Revelation 16:14) and posing as spirits of the dead will be able to deceive and lead them astray virtually 100 percent of the time (Matthew 24:24).

    Those who insist on Scripture proof for all doctrines will not be led astray by Satan.
    18. I am thankful for the Bible, which tells us the truth on this sensitive subject of death.

    Answer:


    THOUGHT QUESTIONS


    1. Didn't the thief on the cross go to paradise with Christ the day He died?
    No. In fact, on Sunday morning Jesus said to Mary, "I am not yet ascended to my Father." John 20:17. This shows that Christ did not go to heaven at death. Also note that the punctuation of the Bible is not inspired, but was added by men. The comma in Luke 23:43 should be placed after the words "to day" rather than before, so the passage should read, "Verily I say unto thee to day, shalt thou be with me in paradise." Or, "I'm telling you today--when it seems that I can save no one, when I myself am being crucified as a criminal--I give you the assurance today that you will be with me in paradise." Christ's kingdom is set up at His second coming (Matthew 25:31), and all the righteous of all ages will enter it at that time (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) and not at death.

    2. Doesn't the Bible speak of the "undying," "immortal" soul?
    No, the undying, immortal soul is not mentioned in the Bible. The word "immortal" is found only once in the Bible, and it is in reference to God (1 Timothy 1:17).

    3. At death the body returns to dust and the spirit (or breath) returns to God. But where does the soul go?
    It goes nowhere. Instead, it simply ceases to exist. Two things must be combined to make a soul: body and breath. When the breath departs, the soul ceases to exist because it is a combination of two things. When you turn off a light, where does the light go? It doesn't go anywhere. It just ceases to exist. Two things must combine to make a light: a bulb and electricity. Without the combination, a light is impossible. So with the soul; unless body and breath are combined, there can be no soul. There is no such thing as a disembodied soul.

    4. Does the word "soul" ever mean anything other than a living being?
    Yes, it may mean also (1) life itself, or (2) the mind, or intellect. No matter which meaning is intended, the soul is still a combination of two things (body and breath), and it ceases to exist at death.

    5. Can you explain John 11:26, which says, "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die"?
    This refers not to the first death, which all people die (Hebrews 9:27), but to the second death, which only the wicked die and from which there is no resurrection (Revelation 2:11; 21:8).

    6. Matthew 10:28 says, "Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul." Doesn't this prove that the soul is undying?
    No, it proves the opposite. The last half of the same verse proves that souls do die. It says, "But rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." The word "soul" here means life and refers to eternal life, which is a gift (Romans 6:23) that will be given to the righteous at the last day (John 6:54). No one can take away the eternal life that God bestows. (See also Luke 12:4, 5.)

    7. Doesn't 1 Peter 4:6 say the gospel was preached to dead people?
    No, it says the gospel "was" preached to those who "are" dead. They are dead now, but the gospel "was" preached to them while they were yet living.

    8. What about the souls crying out from under the altar in Revelation 6:9, 10? Doesn't this show that souls do not die?
    No. This cry was figurative, as was the cry of Abel's blood (Genesis 4:10). The word "soul" here means people (or living beings) who had been slain for their faith. Surely no one believes that souls who die literally lie under the altar, nor do people believe that the righteous beg God to punish their enemies. Rather, the righteous beg for mercy for their enemies, as Christ did on the cross (Luke 23:34).

    9. Doesn't the Bible say Christ went and preached to lost souls in hell between His crucifixion and resurrection?
    No, the Bible passage in question is 1 Peter 3:18-20. The preaching was done "by the Spirit" (verse 18) in Noah's day--to people who were then living (verses 19, 20). The "spirits in prison" refers to people whose lives were in bondage to Satan. (See Psalms 142:7; Isaiah 42:6, 7; 61:1; and Luke 4:18.)
     
  17. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    You might listen to people that have lived it and came back? Testimonies of Heaven and Hell - Near Death Experiences

    I read thru a few of them and they apparently go straight to heaven or hell.
     
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    One very important principle of interpretation of the Bible is to assume what the Bible assumes. It assumes that our souls or spirits as true believers goes to be with God when we die. For example, in
    2 Corinthians 5:1-10, Paul writes about being at home in the body and away from it. Eventually, he says that we will be clothed with our heavenly bodies, that is, our resurrection bodies. Also, Paul's language in Philippians 1:21-26 clearly talks about his remaining in his body for the Philippians' sake or leaving his body to be with Christ.
     
  19. eleos1954

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    Near death .... they are ... or were at the time NOT dead. Illusions, hallucinations, dreams, the mind plays tricks on us all the time .... doesn't make it real.
     
  20. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    I was under the impression the NDE may refer to people that actually died and were brought back to life. Is that an incorrect statement? Wikipedia defines it as:

    A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with death or impending death.
     
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