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Change the poll as an olive branch and I'll gladly participate
That's right. The law of Moses is the law given to Moses by YHWH. It's the law that Yahshua followed; as he calls us to follow him.
Nonsense.
Name the last person you stoned to death.how so?
You don't speak for Yahshua.
How does John 3:16 read in the Concordat Literal Version, or CLV?
It's a bit startling.
16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian.
John 3:16 CLV
I don't know what "life eonian" means. If it means eternal life then I don't know why this is qualified with "may be." This is the most bizarre translation I have ever seen.
And you demonstrably do NOT follow Moses Commands.
rather, PERFECT Sense.
Read Leviticus and demonstrate how you even observe HALF of what is commanded for Law followers.
You fall far short my friend.
Name that last person you stoned to death, as the Law commands you to do, please.
Name the last person you stoned to death.
And? you do?
Here is a short list of verses that I've gathered on sacrifices that will be made in the Kingdom to come.
Yah's people were still in exile the last time I checked. Where did YHWH command that his people stone the nations to death in their own lands?
Again, exile.
I think you misunderstand my request. I'm not asking you to misrepresent your own view, just don't misrepresent others. That's just called respect.If it takes suppressing the light that YHWH has given me, to make peace with you; then you won't have it with me.
Yahshua didn't come to along to give peace to the earth.
If you want to make peace with me; you will put YHWH's light on a lampstand.
If that doesn't suit you; then farewell. This isn't negotiable.
I think you misunderstand my request. I'm not asking you to misrepresent your own view, just don't misrepresent others. That's just called respect.
God stated he would speak to the prophets of Israel in visions and dreams. He also states he would not speak to Moses in this way, but would speak to Moses clearly. Thus we see God clearly contrasting the way he spoke to Moses and the way he would speak to prophets.
Numbers 12:6-7 And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream .Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD.
God makes it clear that Ezekiel 40-48 are visions.
The NT, through Paul, reveals that we are the temple, that spoken of in Ezekiel.
All the Law of Moses was fulfilled in Christ, it was finished and done away in him. We now have the Law of Christ which is the Law of Faith, and this New covenant/Law is what we are to keep.(CLV) Mt 23:1
Then Jesus speaks to the throngs and to His disciples,
(CLV) Mt 23:2
saying, "On Moses' seat are seated the scribes and the Pharisees.
(CLV) Mt 23:3
All, then, whatever they should be saying to you, do and keep it. Yet according to their acts do not be doing, for they are saying and not doing.
The Torah was read from the Moses Seat.
(CLV) Jn 7:16
Jesus, then, answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His Who sends Me.
(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.
(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
(CLV) Jn 17:6
I manifest Thy name to the men whom Thou givest Me out of the world. Thine they were, and to Me Thou givest them, and Thy word they have kept.
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.
(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.
it was finished and done away in him.
We now have the Law of Christ which is the Law of Faith, and this New covenant/Law is what we are to keep.
God stated he would speak to the prophets of Israel in visions and dreams. He also states he would not speak to Moses in this way, but would speak to Moses clearly. Thus we see God clearly contrasting the way he spoke to Moses and the way he would speak to prophets.
Numbers 12:6-7 And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream .Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD.
God makes it clear that Ezekiel 40-48 are visions.
Ezekiel 40:2 In visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel, and set me down on a very high mountain, on which was a structure like a city to the south.
So how do we interpret this vision? Using the New testament.
According to Ezekiel 37 and 43, The Ezekiel temple is where God would dwell with His people forever.
Ezekiel 37:26-27 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore. My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard one speaking to me out of the temple, and he said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the people of Israel forever. And the house of Israel shall no more defile my holy name, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoring and by the dead bodiesb of their kings at their high places,c
The NT, through Paul, reveals that we are the temple, that spoken of in Ezekiel.
2 corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Ephesians 2:21-22 n whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God bye the Spirit.
Use the NT to interpret the OT.
Zechariah 14:8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sead and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter.
John tells us what the coming of living waters is.
John 7:38-39 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Additionally, if the requirements of going to earthly Jerusalem and partaking in the feast of booths are to be literally interpreted, it contradicts the NT.
Zechariah 14:16-19 Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths. And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. And if the family of Egypt does not go up and present themselves, then on them there shall be no rain;h there shall be the plague with which the LORD afflicts the nations that do not go up to keep the Feast of Booths. This shall be the punishment to Egypt and the punishment to all the nations that do not go up to keep the Feast of Booths.
For Jesus tells us that it is not a requirement to go up to Jerusalem. And Paul states it is not a requirement to partake in the feast of booths.
John 4:21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
So what is the parable of Zechariah 14 pointing to? Jesus and the reality of under the new covenant, the heavenly Jerusalem.
Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering
You have this Totally Backward friend... Completely ignoring and disregarding the Apostolic Interpretation of these things, in favor of a Carnal desire for the return of the Blood of Bulls and Goats to atone for your Sins... Such is a falling away from Salvation.
I pray you get on the right side of this.
1. Christ Fulfilled the Whole Law of the Covenant:Matt 5:17-20;Luke 16:16-17; Luke 24:25-27, 44-49;John 19:30; Acts 13:38-41; Romans 10:4; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 7:18-19,22; Hebrews 8:4-13; Hebrews 9:14-15; Hebrews 12:2Where is this written?
Paul said that he was gratified with the law of YHWH. Was Paul in error?
(CLV) Ro 7:22
For I am gratified with the law of God as to the man within,
1. Christ Fulfilled the Whole Law of the Covenant:Matt 5:17-20;Luke 16:16-17; Luke 24:25-27, 44-49;John 19:30; Acts 13:38-41; Romans 10:4; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 7:18-19,22; Hebrews 8:4-13; Hebrews 9:14-15; Hebrews 12:2
There is much more than this brother but I do not want to take up the whole page with my response.
2. No Paul was not in error, but then it must be noted that the Law of God he was speaking of was the Law of Christ and the Ten commandments.
I'm sorry. I guess I should have been more clear. Where does it say that the Torah was done away with.
Then why did Paul circumcise Timothy? Why did he pay for sacrifices at the temple. Was Paul a hypocrite?
A New covenant will be made:Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 28:10,13-19, Ezekiel 36:23-27,29-31
The Old Covenant will not stand:Isaiah 28:13-19
1. The New law will be written in their Hearts:Jeremiah 31:33-34, Ezekiel 36:26; Ezekiel 11:19
On a Tried stone will this Covenant be Made:Isaiah 28:16
This New Covenant will give the People a New Spirit:Ezekiel 36:26-27; Ezekiel 11:19
The New Covenant will be of the Promise of Faith:Isaiah 28:16
The Whole Covenant that was the Book of the Covenant would be Fulfilled:Isaiah 28:15,17
Not trying to pile it on brother, just giving a moderate amount for each point instead of Just a single verse. If only one verse is used then the full picture cannot clearly be seen.You don't have to pile on the scripture. I'm just looking for a single verse to support your claim that the law was done away with.
As far a as the High Priesthood is concerned, it was transferred, not abolished.
The Levitical Priesthood is an eternal covenant; and they will be making sacrifices in the Kingdom to come.
Yahshua's entire ministry was about keeping his father's law. Why would he preach the entire time to keep that which was to be abolished. Why would all of his disciples keep it after Yahshua ascended if it had been abolished?
No matter, just one verse.
Paul did it because it was necessary or in any way needful, but rather that he was compelled to do it by the Jews.
Yahshua kept the Law of Moses because he had to live a sinless life under the law, doing that which was impossible for man but not impossible for God.
Yet at the same time he spoke the law of Christ in parable that none could understand(Matt 13:11)
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