Do you dare?

[Diamond72]

What biblical basis do you have for thinking that there will be animals in heaven?

"every creature in heaven" Revelation 5:13. Jesus prayed "on Earth as it is in Heaven". So if Earth is to be like Heaven then Heaven must be like God wants the Earth to be.

 

[David Lamb]

"every creature in heaven" Revelation 5:13. Jesus prayed "on Earth as it is in Heaven". So if Earth is to be like Heaven then Heaven must be like God wants the Earth to be.

In modern English, we sometimes use the word "creature" to mean "animal", but the word translated "creature" in Revelation 5:13 means "created thing", so it doesn't necessarily include animals.

Also, Jesus didn't pray ""on Earth as it is in Heaven". He taugh His disciples to pray ac cording to the manner or pattern which included saying to God:

“Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as [it is] in heaven.” (Mt 6:10 NKJV)

Nothing to do with earth being like heaven, except that we should pray that as God's will is done in heaven, so it should be on earth.

 

[Diamond72]

In modern English, we sometimes use the word "creature" to mean "animal", but the word translated "creature" in Revelation 5:13 means "created thing", so it doesn't necessarily include animals.

I do not understand what you are saying. You do not think there will be animals in Heaven?

 

[AV1611VET]

I do not understand what you are saying. You do not think there will be animals in Heaven?

Revelation 19:11a And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse;

 

[Diamond72]

Revelation 19:11a And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse;

Are there any donkeys or mules there?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are there any donkeys or mules there?

I assume you're in reference to hybrids.

Meaning you-know-what is going on.

 

[Diamond72]

Meaning you-know-what is going on.

Some people think of Heaven as being spiritual. Only Jesus took His body with Him. So Heaven must be a physical place also. I think of it as another planet somewhere in the universe. The Bible never talks about what happened to the 500 people that were resurrected when the vail was torn and they came out of their grave.

Matthew 27 52
"The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people."

 

[AV1611VET]

Some people think of Heaven as being spiritual. Only Jesus took His body with Him. So Heaven must be a physical place also. I think of it as another planet somewhere in the universe.

Oooh key doke.

 

[Diamond72]

Nothing to do with earth being like heaven,

Earth is to be as Heaven is. "on earth as it is in Heaven".

 

[Diamond72]

Sand is roughly 95% silicone dioxide.

Humans have roughly 7 grams of silicone.

So I'm sure God took the sand and rearranged the molecules accordingly.

The middle east is not sand, it is clay.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

They do use silicone carbon for making Nano resisters and electronics.

 

[David Lamb]

I do not understand what you are saying. You do not think there will be animals in Heaven?

What I was trying to say was that the word translated "creature" in Revelation 5:13 does not mean "animal". We sometimes use the word "creature" to mean the same as "animal", but in that verse, the word translated "creature" means "created thing". The bible therefore does not mention animals in heaven, so we cannot say definitely that there will or won't be animals there.

 

[David Lamb]

Earth is to be as Heaven is. "on earth as it is in Heaven".

But those words "on earth as it is in Heaven" are part of the pattern prayer Jesus gave to His disciples, and they come in the context of God's will being done: "Your will be don on earth as it is in heaven." So it is praying that just as God's will is always done in heaven, it will be more and more done on earth. It is not saying, "Earth is like heaven."

 

[Diamond72]

What I was trying to say was that the word translated "creature" in Revelation 5:13 does not mean "animal".

The discussion of animals is in Isaiah. (wolves and lambs) Most people think that has to do with the 1,000 year reign of Christ or maybe the new earth. Some people think they are talking about Heaven. In Hines Feet on High Places there is an interesting discussion of why thinks are the way they are. Like why does a bee have a stinger.

In "Hinds' Feet on High Places," the references to bees and their stingers symbolize life's challenges and the necessary defenses we build to protect ourselves. Much-Afraid’s journey is laden with obstacles, and the bees' stingers can be seen as the painful experiences or trials she must endure and overcome to grow spiritually and reach the High Places.

I use to love to read allegory but it is not as popular as it was. Also Hannah was a universalist. Although they weed that out of her christian books. She died in 1990 at 85 because she refused medical treatment. Maybe the cure is worse than the ailment sometimes.

 

[David Lamb]

The discussion of animals is in Isaiah. (wolves and lambs) Most people think that has to do with the 1,000 year reign of Christ or maybe the new earth. Some people think they are talking about Heaven. In Hines Feet on High Places there is an interesting discussion of why thinks are the way they are. Like why does a bee have a stinger.

In "Hinds' Feet on High Places," the references to bees and their stingers symbolize life's challenges and the necessary defenses we build to protect ourselves. Much-Afraid’s journey is laden with obstacles, and the bees' stingers can be seen as the painful experiences or trials she must endure and overcome to grow spiritually and reach the High Places.

I use to love to read allegory but it is not as popular as it was. Also Hannah was a universalist. Although they weed that out of her christian books. She died in 1990 at 85 because she refused medical treatment. Maybe the cure is worse than the ailment sometimes.

The wolf and lamb passage is in Isaiah 11, which starts:

“There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, And a Branch shall grow out of his roots.” (Isa 11:1 NKJV)

So the context is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth. As the commentator John Gill wrote on Isaiah 11:6-9:

"Ver. 6. And the wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, &c.] This, and the three following verses Isa 11:7-9, describe the peaceableness of the Messiah’s kingdom."

 

[Diamond72]

So the context is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth.

Ok so you think this passage in Isa 11 has to do with Jesus physical returning to the Earth for the 1,000 year kingdom age. Which is going to be here soon. You can raise animals together but for bears and lions to eat grass like a cow is going to take an evolutionary transition. There is talk about the Euphrates river and that is already starting to dry up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok so you think this passage in Isa 11 has to do with Jesus physical returning to the Earth for the 1,000 year kingdom age.

Yes.

When Jesus first showed up and introduced Himself as the Messiah, the Jews were anticipating the Isaiah 11/Psalm 72 liberator.

But when He presented His credentials, He presented them as the Isaiah 53/Psalm 22 sufferer.

At this point, they didn't want anything to do with Him, and they rallied for His crucifixion.

Of the 333 prophecies concerning Jesus, He fulfilled 109 of them during His first advent.

He will then come back as the Isaiah 11/Psalm 72 messiah and fulfill the remaining 224.

You can raise animals together but for bears and lions to eat grass like a cow is going to take an evolutionary transition.

Or not.

QV please:

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[David Lamb]

Ok so you think this passage in Isa 11 has to do with Jesus physical returning to the Earth for the 1,000 year kingdom age. Which is going to be here soon. You can raise animals together but for bears and lions to eat grass like a cow is going to take an evolutionary transition. There is talk about the Euphrates river and that is already starting to dry up.

No I didn't say that. Isaiah 11 is about His first coming.

 

[Diamond72]

No I didn't say that. Isaiah 11 is about His first coming.

So Isaiah 11 has nothing to do with the kingdom age?

 

[David Lamb]

So Isaiah 11 has nothing to do with the kingdom age?

It depends what you mean by the "kingdom age". All Christians are in Christ's kingdom, so what is this "kingdom age"?

 

[Diamond72]

It depends what you mean by the "kingdom age". All Christians are in Christ's kingdom, so what is this "kingdom age"?

Usually referred to as the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

The 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ, also known as the Millennium, is a period of peace and righteousness that will occur after the Second Coming of Christ. The Millennium is described in the Bible in Revelation 20:1-4.

During the Millennium, Jesus will rule over the earth as king, and the world will live in peace. The wicked will not remain on earth, but will be resurrected after the Millennium. The main focus during the Millennium will be to continue the work of salvation, helping people come to Christ.

We are to prepare the way and maybe that is what people are talking about in reference to the Kingdom of God. When the Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of God. Revelation 11:15