Do you dare?

[Diamond72]

telling those of us who don't do science

You are on a computer on the grid. Clearly you DO science.

 

[Diamond72]

Yep, Evolution of Adam is a good read.

Every book in the world would not be enough to explain what we are told in Genesis chapter one.

John 21 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are on a computer on the grid. Clearly you DO science.

I fell the other day.

Did I do science -- (gravity)?

 

[Diamond72]

Did I do science -- (gravity)?

I do science. I call 911 and they take me to emergency and then they put me in a room for observation. When their pockets are so stuffed with money they can not fit any more, they send me home. So they can afford their fancy house, fancy car and fancy vacations.

With gravity Newton says it is a pull. Einstein says it is a push. Did someone push you or did you fall all by yourself?

 

[Diamond72]

So, in essence, we have billions of people adhering to something they don't qualify in,

The question is, do we listen to the high school dropout or to the expert with a PhD? Do we listen to the person with five years of research and study or the person who put less than five minutes into their claims.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The first half is on Genesis - when written, how related to other ancient texts, and (only 20 pages on) interpretation as Israel in primordial time.

You mean Adam as Israel in primordial time?

 

[okay]

You mean Adam as Israel in primordial time?

Yes. Sorry for my awkward phrasing!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yes. Sorry for my awkward phrasing!

I can certainly see the temptation and sin but how about Eve?

Adam is Israel - BioLogos

Reading the creation story as a cosmic battle helps us see the Adam story from an fresh angle: Adam is the beginning of Israel, not humanity.

biologos.org

 

[Diamond72]

Yes. Sorry for my awkward phrasing!

AI is free. You can cut and paste your message in there and they will fix it for you. Every now and then I tell AI to use KING JAMES English.

 

[Diamond72]

In your opinion, does everyone who says they are for science qualify to be a scientist?

Being “for science” and being a scientist are related but distinct concepts. Supporting science generally means valuing scientific methods, evidence-based reasoning, and the pursuit of knowledge. However, being a scientist typically involves formal education, training, and active engagement in scientific research or practice.

In essence, while anyone can advocate for science and its principles, becoming a scientist usually requires a more specific set of qualifications and experiences. What do you think? Do you believe there’s a clear distinction between the two?

 

[Diamond72]

But you don't see me telling dairy farmers how to milk cows, do you?

Do you think they can get much milk out of this cow?

 

[Diamond72]

telling those of us who don't do science that we are in error in our beliefs?

Everyone does Science. The question is Science (math) invented or discovered?

 

[Derf]

I can certainly see the temptation and sin but how about Eve?

Adam is Israel - BioLogos

Reading the creation story as a cosmic battle helps us see the Adam story from an fresh angle: Adam is the beginning of Israel, not humanity.

biologos.org

I don't think that will fly, since Paul told the gentiles that sin entered the world through Adam. "World" must mean more than just Israel, or the solution to sin would also only apply to Israel.

 

[Diamond72]

Paul told the gentiles that sin entered the world through Adam.

Adam was the only one that could sin. He is the only one with the breath of life.

 

[Derf]

Adam was the only one that could sin. He is the only one with the breath of life.

I don't think that's true. Eve had the breath of life, as did the land animals.

Genesis 7:15 NKJV — And they [animals] went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life.

Genesis 7:22 NKJV — All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.

But my point was that if there were other humans on the earth when Adam sinned, and he as one who introduced sin to the world, and he is merely representative of Israel, then Jesus's sacrifice wouldn't be efficacious for non-Israelites (Gentiles).

 

[Diamond72]

I don't think that's true. Eve had the breath of life, as did the land animals.

I think there will be animals in Heaven but you seem to suggest that only "saved" animals go to heaven. In the park system if they have an animal that causes problems, they will hit it with a dart to knock it out. Then they will transport it a long distance away from ever having contact with people again. Of course this is why they tell people if they ever go out into the wilderness than take a big pepper spray with you. It would take pepper spray to stop a 800 pound bear. If you shot him with a 22 it may must make him madder and want to attack you all the more.

 

[AV1611VET]

Adam was the only one that could sin.

Paul says otherwise:

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[Diamond72]

Paul says otherwise:

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

You are not a theistic evolutionist. So you do not believe anyone lived before Adam and Eve. So according to you there was no transgression before Adam and Eve because no one existed before Adam and Eve.

My challenge for you is: The creation story describes God forming Eve from Adam's rib, not directly from dust like Adam, so the passage about breathing life is only attributed to Adam's creation.

 

[Derf]

I think there will be animals in Heaven but you seem to suggest that only "saved" animals go to heaven.

I haven't anywhere suggested whether or not any animals go to heaven.

In the park system if they have an animal that causes problems, they will hit it with a dart to knock it out. Then they will transport it a long distance away from ever having contact with people again. Of course this is why they tell people if they ever go out into the wilderness than take a big pepper spray with you. It would take pepper spray to stop a 800 pound bear. If you shot him with a 22 it may must make him madder and want to attack you all the more.

Why did you post this? It has nothing to do with my post or the thread topic.

 

[David Lamb]

I think there will be animals in Heaven

What biblical basis do you have for thinking that there will be animals in heaven?