Do you believe this?

[Saint Steven]

No I just trust God over men.

You can teach me anything it might not be truth.

Isn't that a self-defeating claim?

 

[Saint Steven]

You are evading my question.

Which one? Please restate it. Thanks.

 

[AubreyM]

Sir you are very odd and sure you believe in God but not going to communicate with you anymore because of the way you are being with me which is not totally honest.

I don’t have time to play mind games.

Hope you and your family have a good Easter.

 

[AubreyM]

Does John 1:12 mean what it says or no?

People only become children of God when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Excluding of course people who might have not heard of the name Jesus, -> for God knows those people who look towards him.

As humans we can say May things and teach many things, not everything a person says is the truth.

This is why it is good to question these things.

 

[Saint Steven]

Does John 1:12 mean what it says or no?

Of course it does. But is that the only thing to consider? Your single "proof-text"?

Two can play at that game.
Does 1 Timothy 4:10 mean what it says, or not?
You have effectively said, "No, it does not mean what it says."
I backed it up with 8 more scriptures.
Can you do that with your claim about John 1:12 ??? (doubtful)

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

 

[AubreyM]

But yes alas not going to argue back and forthZ

Maybe your own thoughts are that since God created us he is our Father.

I don’t know unless you explain them to me why you believe like you do.

No need to fight and bicker or try win one over one someone for that is ignorant.

You have a good day @Saint Steven

 

[Saint Steven]

Maybe your own thoughts are that since God created us he is our Father.

Right.

Why do you believe that 1 Timothy 4:10 does not mean what it plainly says?

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

 

[Saint Steven]

This scripture came up this morning in the sermon. I was struck with the message of Ultimate Redemption that seemed to go over everyone's head, including the Pastor.

This verse say that we were dead in our transgressions when God made us alive in Christ and seated us in the heavenly realms. Wow. Say what?

Also mentions the coming ages. More UR doctrine. (aionios)

Ephesians 2:4-7 NIV
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

 

[AubreyM]

Yeah, I believe that God is the savior of All mankind, especially believers...

Just not everyone is going to the kingdom of heaven.

If you believe otherwise that is okay,

have no counterargument, believe how you will when it come down to your own belief system.

Personally do not believe that is what the bible conveys however it is up to you to decide what someone is teaching or true or not.

We can't at our death, say well so and so taught me this, or so and so taught me that.

Love God and Love Others, is what Jesus Christ desires for us to do, now when it comes to theology everyone is different, the best way to understand is read and grow in the knowledge of God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Anyone can mis-use scripture out of context. Even myself.

So if you wanna know the truth, go read the bible,

use context and ask God to show you what is the truth if you are a seeker.

 

[St. Helens]

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