Do you believe the sun and moon stood still in the heavens ?

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Joshua 10:12-15New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.

15 Then Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp at Gilgal.


So if the Earth is spinning around at a 1000 mph, how did it just stop?
It seems to make more sense that the sun and moon stopped going around the earth than the other way around.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2546864/How-fast-YOU-spinning-Earths-axis.html
 
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Joshua 10:12-15New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.

15 Then Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp at Gilgal.


So if the Earth is spinning around at a 1000 mph, how did it just stop?
It seems to make more sense that the sun and moon stopped going around the earth than the other way around.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2546864/How-fast-YOU-spinning-Earths-axis.html


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Yes! YES! YES ! and YES! The word of God is alive and is truth! All of it is true.
 
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Goddidit! Goddidit!

A didit fallacy is an informal fallacy that occurs when a complex problem is handwaved away by invoking (without reason) the intervention of some powerful entity.

In essence:

  1. Something happened, I'm not sure why.
  2. X did it!
It's that simple.

All didit fallacies are essentially golden hammers, because they propose a simplistic solution for a range of complex and unrelated problems.
 
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Goddidit! Goddidit!

A didit fallacy is an informal fallacy that occurs when a complex problem is handwaved away by invoking (without reason) the intervention of some powerful entity.

In essence:

  1. Something happened, I'm not sure why.
  2. X did it!
It's that simple.

All didit fallacies are essentially golden hammers, because they propose a simplistic solution for a range of complex and unrelated problems.

2 Samuel 22:31
As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him.

Psalm 18:30
As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him.

Psalm 19:7
The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
 
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So if the Earth is spinning around at a 1000 mph, how did it just stop?...

Interesting thing is, there is actually no scientific proof that planet earth rotates (Airy failed in proving that). But anyway, I believe what the Bible tells. However, what it means, is not necessary so simple. It could also mean that the people experienced it, but it was because they moved faster so that it looked like the sun stood still even though they were just faster. Time and speed are relative. I have seen my life in only few seconds before my eyes, so time is really very relative. However, I don’t think it is impossible that sun didn’t seem to move.
 
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That is the way they appeared to those who were observing them. Such an illusion should not be hard for an almighty God to impose on mortals. Why go to the trouble of actual tampering with rotations and orbits when you can simply subject to illusions?
 
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Interesting thing is, there is actually no scientific proof that planet earth rotates (Airy failed in proving that). But anyway, I believe what the Bible tells. However, what it means, is not necessary so simple. It could also mean that the people experienced it, but it was because they moved faster so that it looked like the sun stood still even though they were just faster. Time and speed are relative. I have seen my life in only few seconds before my eyes, so time is really very relative. However, I don’t think it is impossible that sun didn’t seem to move.

The scriptures teach the earth is fixed in place, and the sun and moon and stars move.
Who is faster? If you have to make scripture more complex than it needs to be, then it seems your stretching it too far.?

I went looking and found scriptures from NIV here and seems clear to me the earth does not move, seems to be set on pillars for its foundations.
Which if you believe in the great flood, the earth having waters underneath, God could have broken up the foundations of the great deep flooding the earth as if it had sunk.
  • 1 Chronicles 16:30: Tremble before him, all the earth! 
 The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
  • Psalm 93:1: The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and armed with strength; indeed, the world is established, firm and secure.
  • Psalm 96:10: Say among the nations, “The LORD reigns.” 
 The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved; 
 he will judge the peoples with equity.
  • Psalm 104:5:He set the earth on its foundations; 
 it can never be moved.
  • Job 9:6: He shakes the earth from its place 
 and makes its pillars tremble.
  • Psalm 75:3: When the earth and all its people quake, 
 it is I who hold its pillars firm
  • 1 Samuel 2:8: “For the foundations (translated pillars in the ESV) of the earth are the LORD’s; 
 on them he has set the world.
 
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Joshua 10:12-15New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.

15 Then Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp at Gilgal.


So if the Earth is spinning around at a 1000 mph, how did it just stop?
It seems to make more sense that the sun and moon stopped going around the earth than the other way around.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2546864/How-fast-YOU-spinning-Earths-axis.html
Yes...the first switch on the right is the lights, and the second switch is the whirligig.
 
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In the biblical cosmology of the day that story would make perfect sense. Since we now know that cosmology to be inaccurate, I believe we must regard the story as allegorical in nature.
 
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In the biblical cosmology of the day that story would make perfect sense. Since we now know that cosmology to be inaccurate, I believe we must regard the story as allegorical in nature.
They were reporting what they saw in the only way they could describe it. Daylight seemed to last longer than usual and what appeared to be sun and moon seemed to remain stationary. Whether it was what was actually occurring is another matter altogether.

BTW
The Bible isn't a confused hodgepodge or a unorganized jumbled mix of the historical with the allegorical.

Please note that literalness or concreteness of concepts varies in the Bible in accordance with the book's purpose and the style which was employed to write it. Some books, such as Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy Joshua, Judges Ruth, 1st Samuel 2nd Samuel, 1st Chronicles, 2nd Chronicles 1st Kings 2nd Kings are predominantly historical and make very little use of poetical devises such as metaphors, similes, hyperbole, irony, metonymy, allegory etcetera. In the Book of Judges, Samson uses a bit of poetry when demolishing the Philistine temple of Dagon as he did when fooling the Philistines with his puzzle about the lion and the honey puzzle.

Genesis though primarily historical does have poetic expressions uttered by the patriarchs during prophesying or describing how strongly they felt about emotionally wrenching events. The deathbed prophesies of Joseph are a case on point when he calls Judah his Son a lion and uses a staff as a symbol representing his tribal importance in reference to the coming of the Messiah. His other sons are likewise described in poetic language. But the account of most of the rest of Genesis is literal history and the straightforward dry manner in which it is delivered makes absolutely room for no doubt in that.

In contrast books such as Psalms, Proverbs, ecclesiastics, Song of Solomon are replete with such literary devices as are the books of the Major and minor prophets although they also are predominantly historical. Daniel uses beasts to represent the rise of empires including the Persian, Macedonian and the Roman. The book mentions a statue representing the world governments in historical order according to differences in metal and has God's kingdom topple them all as represented by are rock falling from heaven. The night when Babylon is overthrown is also poetically prophesied on the same night that is about to occur. Yet the book is predominantly historical. But there is absolutely no confusion between the two modes of communication since they are totally distinct from one another.

In short, the usage of symbology in one area doesn't automatically nullify the use of literal language in another.

The Book of Revelation is predominantly symbolic but it has letters written to churches which refers to their literal spiritual condition at the time revelation was written. The Gospels have Parables which are symbolic but also contain the literal history of Jesus' ministry death and resurrection.
 
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They were reporting what they saw in the only way they could describe it. Daylight seemed to last longer than usual and what appeared to be sun and moon seemed to remain stationary. Whether it was what was actually occurring is another matter altogether.

BTW
The Bible isn't a confused hodgepodge or a unorganized jumbled mix of the historical with the allegorical.

Please note that literalness or concreteness of concepts varies in the Bible in accordance with the book's purpose and the style which was employed to write it. Some books, such as Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy Joshua, Judges Ruth, 1st Samuel 2nd Samuel, 1st Chronicles, 2nd Chronicles 1st Kings 2nd Kings are predominantly historical and make very little use of poetical devises such as metaphors, similes, hyperbole, irony, metonymy, allegory etcetera. In the Book of Judges, Samson uses a bit of poetry when demolishing the Philistine temple of Dagon as he did when fooling the Philistines with his puzzle about the lion and the honey puzzle.

Genesis though primarily historical does have poetic expressions uttered by the patriarchs during prophesying or describing how strongly they felt about emotionally wrenching events. The deathbed prophesies of Joseph are a case on point when he calls Judah his Son a lion and uses a staff as a symbol representing his tribal importance in reference to the coming of the Messiah. His other sons are likewise described in poetic language. But the account of most of the rest of Genesis is literal history and the straightforward dry manner in which it is delivered makes absolutely room for no doubt in that.

In contrast books such as Psalms, Proverbs, ecclesiastics, Song of Solomon are replete with such literary devices as are the books of the Major and minor prophets although they also are predominantly historical. Daniel uses beasts to represent the rise of empires including the Persian, Macedonian and the Roman. The book mentions a statue representing the world governments in historical order according to differences in metal and has God's kingdom topple them all as represented by are rock falling from heaven. The night when Babylon is overthrown is also poetically prophesied on the same night that is about to occur. Yet the book is predominantly historical. But there is absolutely no confusion between the two modes of communication since they are totally distinct from one another.

In short, the usage of symbology in one area doesn't automatically nullify the use of literal language in another.

The Book of Revelation is predominantly symbolic but it has letters written to churches which refers to their literal spiritual condition at the time revelation was written. The Gospels have Parables which are symbolic but also contain the literal history of Jesus' ministry death and resurrection.

A worldwide flood also makes no scientific rational sense, do you think there was no worldwide flood that killed all people except for the 8 persons in the ark? Do you consider Noah's flood and the nephilim only allegorical fables?

How about Adam and Eve and a talking serpent, another fable? The creation story makes no scientific sense to worldly mindsets.
 
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It doesn't say the earth doesn't move--it says it can't be moved---unless you think you can go out there and give it swift kick and send it out of orbit. Pillars and all that is just poetic language, just that it is not out there just going all over the place, it is secure, steady.
 
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Joshua 10:12-15New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.

15 Then Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp at Gilgal.

So if the Earth is spinning around at a 1000 mph, how did it just stop?
It seems to make more sense that the sun and moon stopped going around the earth than the other way around.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2546864/How-fast-YOU-spinning-Earths-axis.html

But stop for just a second and think about what you're asking. The first thing we need to take into account is something right in our face: your model contains an omnipotent Deity. True? I say again, omnipotent Deity. Now think about this: how difficult is it for an omnipotent Deity to stop a spinning orb causing absolutely no noticeable effect on residents of said spinning orb?

So when you say "It makes more sense" you seem to be completely ignoring the omnipotence of the omnipotent Deity that is at the very heart of your model. Can you see why the statement "it makes more sense" actually makes no sense? If not, it is because you are limiting the sensible abilities of a Being with omnipotence. Do you see what I mean? If your model contains an omnipotent Deity anything is possible and nothing "makes more sense" since everything is equally possible.
 
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So if the Earth is spinning around at a 1000 mph, how did it just stop?
It seems to make more sense that the sun and moon stopped going around the earth than the other way around.

The Sun doesn't rotate around the earth, it's the other way around. So if the only way for the sun and the moon to stay in the same place for a whole day is actually if the earth stops spinning and the moon stops rotating around earth.
But this would have have enormous repercussions on earth's orbit and would eventually disturb the entire solar system, so the only way to interpret this passage literally is if the whole universe had stopped moving for a day. If anyone could make that happen it would be God :)
 
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A worldwide flood also makes no scientific rational sense, do you think there was no worldwide flood that killed all people except for the 8 persons in the ark? Do you consider Noah's flood and the nephilim only allegorical fables?

How about Adam and Eve and a talking serpent, another fable? The creation story makes no scientific sense to worldly mindsets.
If my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ considered it historical fact then that is good enough for me.

“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all”
Luke 17:27,

The Apostle Peter concurs

“And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly” (2 Peter 2:5).
 
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But stop for just a second and think about what you're asking. The first thing we need to take into account is something right in our face: your model contains an omnipotent Deity. True? I say again, omnipotent Deity. Now think about this: how difficult is it for an omnipotent Deity to stop a spinning orb causing absolutely no noticeable effect on residents of said spinning orb?

So when you say "It makes more sense" you seem to be completely ignoring the omnipotence of the omnipotent Deity that is at the very heart of your model. Can you see why the statement "it makes more sense" actually makes no sense? If not, it is because you are limiting the sensible abilities of a Being with omnipotence. Do you see what I mean? If your model contains an omnipotent Deity anything is possible and nothing "makes more sense" since everything is equally possible.

Sure, with God all things are possible, but not all things are probable, some answers are more likely than others.

God reveals through scripture what He did, there is no reason to think God whom scripture says can not lie, in that He says He places the earth on pillars and then for you to think up a different solution contrary to what God already said what He did.

God also uses means to accomplish His purposes, and that included earthly armies and various persons.
 
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If my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ considered it historical fact then that is good enough for me.
Jesus spoke of the creation as true as written in that Jesus said, 'Have you not read', He verified scripture of the creation as true as written in Genesis.
Matthew 19:4
And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’

Jesus also taught us scripture can not be broken, so then it must be true and truth as it has been written.
And God can not lie.
 
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Sure, with God all things are possible, but not all things are probable, some answers are more likely than others.

God reveals through scripture what He did, there is no reason to think God whom scripture says can not lie, in that He says He places the earth on pillars and then for you to think up a different solution contrary to what God already said what He did.

God also uses means to accomplish His purposes, and that included earthly armies and various persons.

I see, then am I to understand you believe the earth is literally set on pillars? Turtles all the way down, is it?
 
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