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Discussion in 'Missions, Evangelism & Witnessing' started by lambofgod43985889, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. lambofgod43985889

    lambofgod43985889 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    He (the pastor) walks recognizing demons from the people around and they behave like a demon caught. But I need your opinion, I don't believe in my own perception...
     
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  2. genez

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    This stuff really happens. But, it may not be God's will. Satan today will control situations by setting up people for deception, and will recruit counterfeit Christian leaders to cast out demons in order to draw Christians away from sound teaching into false teachings. Jesus warned about such false teachers. Jesus said that there will be MANY of them ... not a few false teachers. Men like these!


    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of
    heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.On
    that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your

    name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty
    works
    in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew
    you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
    Mat 7:21-23​


    Believe it or not, these men were never saved! For, Jesus said that he will tell them that He NEVER knew them. Never born again!

    That is why learning sound doctrine is essential to avoid deceptions as they come. For many men will come as being Christians doing works and even casting out demons. They can be of the devil. We will know them by their fruit = false doctrinal teachings.

    grace and peace....
     
  3. lambofgod43985889

    lambofgod43985889 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    concerning the video, I feel it would perfectly act, but I feel too that this is the way to recognize and cast out a demon, no matter the appearance of a joke.
     
  4. venksta

    venksta Jesus is humanity's most successful rebel.

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    At the 3:10 mark, a small boy is pushed in to "battle" the possessed man. At that point, they lost me, lol. This to me, looks more of a show and entertainment, rather than saving lives, out of love for one another, as our Lord Jesus commanded.
     
  5. thecolorsblend

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    It's reasonable to believe that certain people have an ability to recognize the possessed. It also stands to reason that possessions can occur in superficially faithful communities.

    But like the other member says, the 3:10 point, yikes...
     
  6. genez

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    I am not sure what you are saying... I was not saying it was a joke.

    Just the same. It was not faked. Satan can have demons agreeing to leave a body on command to make a false teacher look legitimate to unsuspecting Christians. That way, the false teacher can indoctrinate believers into teachings that will disrupt the body of Christ.
     
  7. Carl Emerson

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    You raise an interesting point that might be better on another thread - the quote "by their fruit ye shall know them" - You insist this is purely doctrine.
    This does not sit well with me - doctrine without love to me is indeed diabolical.
     
  8. lambofgod43985889

    lambofgod43985889 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Till now nobody is believing in the tb Joshua ministries

    I still doubt about true or false
     
  9. genez

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    Ultimately is must be their doctrine. Otherwise...By sight? What do you have?

    Their doctrine reveals by what "spirit" they operate.

    Doctrine without love? That involves doctrine. Does it not?

    It all comes down to doctrine.
     
  10. Carl Emerson

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    Interesting...

    When I look at how He will judge, it is all about what we did, not what we thought !!!
     
  11. genez

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    Our thinking is a work! How we choose to think.


    "For as he thinks in his heart, so he is." Prov 23:7


    Was it Satan actions that got him into trouble? No!

    It was because of what Satan thought!


    For you have said in your heart: (he only thought it!)
    ‘I will ascend into heaven,
    I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
    I will also sit on the mount of the congregation

    On the farthest sides of the north.
    I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
    I will make myself like the Most High.” Isa 14:13 -14​



    What we do is only because of what we think!

    God sees our thoughts as being actions being done!


    “You have heard that it was said to those of old,
    ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you
    that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has
    already committed adultery with her in his heart."
    Mat 5:27-28


    If it were only by our actions? Then the outwardly perfect Pharisees who had Jesus nailed to the Cross would be in Heaven now.

    Its how you think that God sees. Sees, and knows if one's good works are done for vain glory and for the approbation of gullible people.

    Next....

     
  12. NBB

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    I don't know if the deliverance of this person or pastor is legit, from what i saw of this person there is much 'theatrical' stuff going on. Those 'interactions' with the spirits etc... i doubt if they are legit.
     
  13. Carl Emerson

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    Yes of course but in Matt 24 the Judgement is all about acting in Love.

    What worries me about CF is insistence on perfect doctrine with a proliferation of stink attitudes...

    The Pharisees were brilliant at it...

    I stand by my statement that Truth without Love can be diabolical.
     
  14. genez

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    “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to
    death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
    At that time many will turn away from the faith and will
    betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will
    appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase
    of wickedness,
    the love of most will grow cold, but the
    one who stands firm to the end will be saved. "
    Mat 24:9-13​


    Matthew 24? ... Love for the Truth will grow cold! Without Truth for the Truth (sound doctrine) our love is nothing more than vanity and base human emotion. Human love can easily be faked, and often times is faked.

    Its the love for the Truth that is the root for the Love God will give the Spirit filled believer by grace.


    The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with
    how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power
    through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the
    ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing.
    They perish because
    they refused to love the truth
    and so be saved." 2 Thes 2:9-10​


    Love can be feigned by those who crave the approval of others. That is, if love is what others seek in order to approve of that person.

    Jesus loved the disciples, and serve as an example of how we are to love one another. When Jesus called Peter, "Satan?" Jesus was loving Peter!

    His ways are not our ways... We need transformation by possessing a wealth of Truth to become His ways by the filling of the Spirit.

    Love truth and you will find yourself able to love where you know you could not have love without the transformation by Truth in grace. It can shock you. Like when I was held up at gun point by two males and found myself able to relax and see them without hatred for what they were. I knew it was not from myself. It surprised me.

    Human love is a salesman's gimmick. Its a cloak some use for promoting their false teachings.
     
  15. genez

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    Show your love then. Give actual chapter and verses, please? Its not loving to be broad and general, leaving the other guessing to what may turn out to be only what you think you see.


    And, human good intentions with a wishing well for others can be equally diabolical, when what is being presented seems superficially to be true, but is not, when it stands under scrutiny of the full council of the Scriptures.
     
  16. Carl Emerson

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    All I am saying is from Matt 24 love will grow cold and He will judge the Loveless.

    Having the best doctrine will not cut it at judgement.

    Mental assent to Truth is not enough - a love relationship with Him is critical.
     
  17. Carl Emerson

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    You have already quoted Matt 24 which supports my position.
     
  18. genez

    genez Contributor Supporter

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    Having the "best doctrine" comes one way. Having a genuine love for the Truth.

    Its not a religious system. Its not a system of collecting merit badges. Having best doctrine demands transformation before one can have it.... Its not becoming a walking encyclopedia of Bible facts.
     
  19. genez

    genez Contributor Supporter

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    Then, the context means that these people will lose their love because of the pressures that come their way. Read Chapter 24 again.
     
  20. Carl Emerson

    Carl Emerson Well-Known Member

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    I don't get your point... and I have read Matt 24.

    Let's leave it for the sake of the thread...
     
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