Do you believe aliens exist?

[AV1611VET]

Speaking as a scientist, I can say that intelligent aliens are a possibility. But don't hold your breath. It might be centuries or even much longer before any sort of contact. I am not speaking here of imaginary "aliens". That being said, the possibility of lower forms of life on other planets is more than a possibility.

When Adam sinned, he threw the whole universe into a fallen state.

If there are aliens out there (other than angels), and I highly doubt it; but if there are, they are in a fallen state, just as we are.

That incudes their intellects.

So I wouldn't expect any visits -- ever.

 

[Radrook]

When Adam sinned, he threw the whole universe into a fallen state.

If there are aliens out there (other than angels), and I highly doubt it; but if there are, they are in a fallen state, just as we are.

That incudes their intellects.

So I wouldn't expect any visits -- ever.

Hmmm! Well, that touched a raw nerve since I once wrote a whole space opera novel in which certain aliens had not suffered a fall from grace. I guess I did not consider the concept of the whole universe suffering a negative transformation due to the fall of mankind and that such a change would include aliens who had nothing to do with Adam's choice. The whole concept still seems alien, [no pun intended] to me. If indeed such a change did occur then I would imagine that it would be allowed to occur to a universe which was totally bereft of intelligent life made in God's image. Otherwise that negative change would constitute an injustice and there is no injustice with God but each reaps whatever he sows and not what others [in this case Adam] had sown.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hmmm! Well, that touched a raw nerve since I once wrote a whole space opera novel in which certain aliens had not suffered a fall from grace. I guess I did not consider that the concept that the whole universe suffered a change due to the fall of mankind and that such a change would include aliens who had nothing to do with Adam's choice. The whole concept still seems alien, [no pun intended] to me. If indeed such a change did occur then I would imagine that it would be allowed to occur to a universe which was totally bereft of intelligent life made in God's image. Otherwise that negative change would constitute an injustice and there is no injustice with God but each reaps whatever he sows and not what others [in this case Adam] had sown.

Well ... if there are aliens out there ... I don't think they would have souls and spirits like we do, else they would be in need of redemption through the blood of Jesus Christ, just as we do.

The idea of dying on the Cross here on earth for aliens on other planets is something I can't wrap my head around.

 

[Armoured]

Yes aliens exist. No they don't regularly visit Earth.

 

[Radrook]

Well ... if there are aliens out there ... I don't think they would have souls and spirits like we do, else they would be in need of redemption through the blood of Jesus Christ, just as we do.

The idea of dying on the Cross here on earth for aliens on other planets is something I can't wrap my head around.

I'm not 100% certain of the meaning of the Hebrew word nephesh which is translated as soul in English. Some biblical scholars contend that it's meaning doesn't involve any invisible essence within us. They cite scriptures which show the word nephesh referring to be the person himself, animals, as having blood, as experiencing hunger, as being killed by the sword, as dying etcetera.

But if indeed it does, there really isn't any necessary causal connection between the possession of a soul and the obligatory need for redemption unless the aliens had chosen to sin. In short, having a soul does not necessarily lead to sin. What led to sin was to sin was the voluntary choice of Adam who had become a living soul, nephesh, after receiving the breath of life ruah.

 

[freezerman2000]

 

[lesliedellow]

Even if they do exist, the distances involved mean that we would never be shaking hands with them. As for communication, even if there were aliens living on a planet orbiting Alpha Proxima, it would take a radio wave nine years to make the round trip - always assuming that they had the good sense to speak English.

Of course, they might have left something as stone age as radio communication behind long ago, and they now communicate with other members of the inter stellar club using means which we can't even conceive of.

 

[The Cadet]

And again we respond to the same post with roughly the same answer

Freaky!

Lemme guess - you're a Matt Dillahunty fan?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Lemme guess - you're a Matt Dillahunty fan?

I won't rule out that that's where I heared the guilty/innocent analogy, but I don't clearly remember

But when it comes to that show, my favorite host is actually Tracie Harris. Although Matt can really nail it down at times for sure!
And Jeff Dee is the king of rants! :d

 

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[Hetta]

I'm interested, do you think they exist? Do they abduct people?

I don't see why not. I don't think abductions happen though.

 

[Radrook]

I don't see why not. I don't think abductions happen though.

The question is why would God allow such interference on his Earth from creatures whom he created? Those who envision scenarios where Aliens are running rampant on Earth usually dismiss God as a non-caring entity or a nonentity,. However, for those of us who take the scriptures seriously we cannot envision any alien race running rampant on God's Earth and mankind at its total mercy. That would mean that God's clearly expressed plan for His Earth would have been thwarted and their is no power in our material universe or outside of it capable of thwarting the almighty.

Isaiah 43:13
"Even from eternity I am He, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?"

Isaiah 14:27

For the LORD Almighty has purposed, and who can thwart him? His hand is stretched out, and who can turn it back?

 

[bhsmte]

The question is why would God allow such interference on his Earth from creatures whom he created? Those who envision scenarios where Aliens are running rampant on Earth usually dismiss God as a non-caring entity or a nonentity,. However, for those of us who take the scriptures seriously we cannot envision any alien race running rampant on God's Earth and mankind at its total mercy. That would mean that God's planet the Earth would have been thwarted and their is no power I the universe capable of thwarting the almighty.

Maybe the same reasons, this god would allow all the natural disasters that have killed thousands. I dont see any reports of aliens knocking anybody off.

 

[Radrook]

Maybe the same reasons, this god would allow all the natural disasters that have killed thousands. I dont see any reports of aliens knocking anybody off.

That is a false analogy.
The things allowed are temporary and are serving a specific purpose for the resolution of the issues raised at Eden. In contrast, the scenario which some sci-fi writers depict and the possibility of alien invasions entertained by physicist are ones which completely go contrary to the biblical prophecies which speak of a paradise Earth which is to come.

2 Pet 3:13
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells

 

[bhsmte]

That is a false analogy.
The things allowed are temporary and are serving a specific purpose for the resolution of the issues raised at Eden. In contrast, the scenario which some sci-fi writers depict and the possibility of alien invasions entertained by physicist are ones which completely go contrary to the biblical prophecies which speak of a paradise Earth which is to come.

Why couldnt aliens serve a purpose?

 

[Hieronymus]

They're demons.

 

[Radrook]

Why couldnt aliens serve a purpose?

Well, if we classify angels as aliens, then we can definitely see that they do serve a purpose.

 

[Radrook]

They're demons.

Many of the manifestations which are reported as aliens very well might be of demonic origin.
The unpleasant encounter I had with a UFO left me with the very strong impression of a technologically superior machine under intelligent control. But then again what would keep Satan from mimicking such technology?

 

[bhsmte]

They're demons.

Spooky.

 

[Michael]

They're demons.

This is a great example of why an alien culture that spent any time at all studying our history would be crazy to even let us know that they are out there.