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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Original Happy Camper, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    Look at history. Prophecy is history in advance, history is prophecy fulfilled.

    The “locusts” are given power to “torment” like the sting of a “scorpion” for 5 months, or 150 literal years. Starting in 1299 at the Battle of Bapheum the Turkish Muslims began a persistent assault on the eastern Roman Empire. In 1449, after 150 years of conflict, the Eastern Roman, or Byzantine, Empire became a vassal state, subordinate to the Ottoman Empire. At that time Constantine XI needed the permission and backing of the Ottoman Empire to outmaneuver the other claimant to the throne, so as to become emperor. During this time period the Byzantine Empire was “tormented” by the Ottoman Empire but not yet destroyed.

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  2. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    You seemed to have missed the most important statement in the article,"Graham explained Trump understood the country was in a “religious war”"

    That is what it is a religious war just like the first two woes, the crusades and the Ottoman Empire. Islam declared it a religious war and we stick our heads in the sand and say that it is terrorism. Terrorism is the method. Just like Vietnam was Guerrilla warfare

    Look at history, Papal Rome has no army it has all ways rented an army to fight the religious wars.

    Is the USA the next rented army?
     
  3. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    Agree but also to bring about the Second Coming of Christ, in my opinion which does involve evading socialism. Watch for the bring together the church and state here in the USA. Removing the Johnson amendment is the first step in doing this.
     
  4. Original Happy Camper

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    Trumpets
    This section tells about the “Seven Trumpets,” which are a warning to the world of the severe judgments of God. In Bible times trumpets were used as a call for war. Judges 7:16-18. Also, the priests blew trumpets to signal the upcoming Day of Atonement, the annual day of judgement. Leviticus 23:23-32. The seven trumpets follow the pattern set by the seven seals and seven churches, but the trumpets focus on the judgments which God pours out upon the persecutors of His people during these periods of time. The first six trumpets bring partial destructions warning of the Great Day of Judgment and retribution which will end in the utter annihilation of Satan, sin and of all who refuse to repent and separate from their sin. Revelation 20:9-14. In the seven trumpets God avenges the blood of the saints upon their persecutors; specifically western Rome, eastern Rome and ultimately with the execution of the Antichrist and all who choose to follow him. The trumpets teach us that God will avenge His own. Deuteronomy 32:43; Luke 18:7-8; Romans 12:19.

    8:7 The first four trumpets are judgments on Pagan Rome for its persecution of God’s people.

    The First Trumpet: The “hail and fire mingled with blood” symbolize war and bloodshed. Ezekiel 38:21-22. “Trees” and “grass” depict people. See Revelation 9:4. God sent the barbaric Goths from the north to fall upon Rome, as a plague of “hail” to spill the “blood” of her people, and set her proud cities on “fire.” The Goths, headed by their general Alaric, attacked the Romans from A.D. 396 to 419. They sacked and pillaged the city of Rome in A.D. 410. The term “third part” indicates that a large portion would be affected but not all; in this case it applies to Rome.

    Read about the next six trumpets here
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  5. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    Thanks for the reply.
     
  6. Original Happy Camper

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    Seals

    6:1-2 The Vision of the Seven Seals

    The seven seals repeat the same history as the seven churches, but with a different emphasis. In chapters 8-11 we will see how the seven trumpets cover the same basic timeline but with its own distinctive focus.

    The first four seals are widely known as the “Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.” In Revelation the horse is an animal associated with war. See Revelation 19:11, 19. The four horsemen represent the churches as they go forth to battle their enemies. The colors of the horses (white, red, black, and pale) indicate a change from purity to apostasy.

    The 1st Seal: A White horse: The Pure Church

    White represents purity and righteousness. Revelation 7:14; 19:8; Isaiah 1:18. The pure white church went out “conquering and to conquer.” During this time the Gospel spread like wild fire. Paul said that the Gospel “was preached to every creature which is under heaven” (Colossians 1:23), and his opponents said that they had, “turned the world upside down.” Acts 17:6. The white horse is the apostolic church going forth victoriously under the banner of Prince Jesus.

    Read more Here
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  7. Douggg

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    I think you should consider modifying your statement to .... prophecy fulfilled is history...... as all history was not given in prophecy.
     
  8. Truth7t7

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    I Agree With Graham, Nothing Wrong There!

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    I Agree!
     
  10. Truth7t7

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    I Disagree, Mohammed Isn't Seen In Prophecy.

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  11. Truth7t7

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    This Guy Just Killed 8 People, And Injured Several Others, Shouting Allah.

    He Was Federally Charged As A Terroist, As I Agree 100% With Graham And Trump.

    You Cry Water boarding Is A Terrible Thing?

    Try Having Your Family Run Over And Killed On A Street In New York, By An Islamic Terroist That He Is!

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  12. Truth7t7

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    I Disagree, The World Ends At The Seventh Trump, As Revelation 11:15KJV Clearly Shows The Kingdoms Of This World End, And Eternity Begins "For Ever And Ever"

    Also Revelation 10:6-7KJV, The Voice Of The Seventh Angel, Time No Longer, The Mystery Of God Is Finished.

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  13. Truth7t7

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    I Disagree.

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  14. Truth7t7

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    They Haven't Put Enough Blame On Obama In My Opinion.

    It's My Prayer That They Untangle The Massive "Evil" Spider Web He Has Spun Over the Past eight Years.

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  15. Yarddog

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    Where does Graham say that we have ISIS because of Obama? Someone is a little lost here. ISIS belongs to Bush. ISIS is an offshoot of Al Qaeda which were not in Iraq until Bush.
     
  16. Revealing Times

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    I disagree here, Trump will keep our country "PROSPERING" thus God wants us to "PROSPER" thus we can keep delivering the Gospel unto the lost world whereas the rest of the world, like Europe is indifferent to the mission, they think we are OVER RELIGIOUS Crackpots. In other words Europe is the same as the Coasts in America. We are also a beacon unto the rest of the world as pertaining to what TRUE CAPITALISM can do, when unleashed in its proper form, instead of being held back by Socialist attachments via the likes of Clinton/Obama/Bush's.

    Remember, America plays basically no part in the coming Anti-Christs role, he arises out of the European Union.

    The Trumpets Sound during the Tribulation period brother.

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    As per the Seals, the First Seal is the Anti-Christ being allowed to come forth. That happens at the Midway point of the Tribulation period, or in Jacobs Troubles, the last week of the 70 week decree. No seals have been opened as of yet, there is no Anti Christ who has been revealed as yet. That can not happen of course until after the Rapture just like 2 Thessalonians 2 says, the Church must Depart, then the Man of Sin will be revealed.

    The second seal is Peace being taken away from the earth, the third seal is of course starvation deaths, and the fourth seal is many, many deaths caused by the Anti-Christ. He slays a 1/4 of all mankind or causes their death via starvation etc. The 5th seal is the Beheaded under the Alter, they are those the REMNANT of the Church who died (Rev. 12) instead of taking the Mark of the Beast. They are told they must wait until their fellow servants have also died (or until the Beasts 42 Month reign is up). The 6th Seal is the SHAKING, the supernatural event that allows the people on earth to know that they are in the Day of the Lord, they have been since the FIRST SEAL, but of course did not know it. The sun turns dark, the moon blood red and the Heavens are Shaken (I think the Stars tat fall from Heaven is Satan and his Angels being cast out of Heaven SEE Rev. ch. 12).

    The Seventh Seal of course is the Seven Trumpets and the Seventh Trumpet has the LAST WOE (Seven Vials) in it.
     
  17. Revealing Times

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    Where does Graham say that we have ISIS because of Obama? Someone is a little lost here. ISIS belongs to Bush. ISIS is an offshoot of Al Qaeda which were not in Iraq until Bush.[/QUOTE]
    BAD PUNCTUATION..........I agree with Graham 100 percent, IMHO Obama is responsible for ISIS.

    I do not usually spell or form sentences like that so that might have been an instance where my computer froze as I was typing, and started back without getting my full sentence in. I don't really know what happened.
     
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  19. Yarddog

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    Okay, so you know that Graham doesn't believe that Obama is responsible for ISIS, right? BUT, you don't know that ISIS was started in Iraq and grew when Saddam's people came after the fall of Iraq. They were responsible for the 2003 insurgency in Iraq and joined with Al Qaeda.
     
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  20. Almost there

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    I agree with the article except I'm shocked Graham said it. I've said for about six months (and should have said it a lot longer) that the U.S. is in a cold civil war. It is most definitely heating up. Trump is driving the other side to insane acts and comments. It will only get worse, and is doing so exponentially.
     
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