Do you affirm the fundamentals?

[gordonhooker]

This is what I believe...

WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

 

[FenderTL5]

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten,
Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God,
Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven,
And was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;
And He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead,
Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life,
Who proceedeth from the Father,
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified,
Who spake by the Prophets;

And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.
I look for the Resurrection of the dead.
And the Life of the world to come.

 

[Dave-W]

A question to the OP: While I agree with your 5 points (assuming #1 is only the autographs), I would ask why you are not using the bible's own list of what the fundamentals are? That is found in Hebrews 6:1-3.

 

[Paidiske]

The five points in the OP are the points which were put forward in a multi-volume work, The Fundamentals, which are as close as one gets to a foundational document for fundamentalism as a Christian movement.

 

[Catherineanne]

Regardless of your denominational affiliation, do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

Here they are:

1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.

2. That Jesus Christ is God.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

As a good Anglican and in line with the 39 articles I will affirm ONLY those 'fundamentals' which can be proven by reference to the clear word of God as expressed in Scripture.

So: 1 no; there is no Scripture to justify such a claim.
2 yes.
3 yes.
4 perhaps partly but that is not the whole picture
5 yes.
6 a whole lot more that you have missed, which I would regard as equally important.

 

[Catherineanne]

Even when it translates Isaiah as young woman, rather than virgin? That was a pretty big issue when it first came out. Or did the Catholic version fix that?

Yep, even then.

In patriarchal societies 'young woman' and 'virgin young woman' are pretty well interchangeable; compare for example with the English form 'maiden'; also denoting young woman and by clear extension untouched young woman.

 

[Colter]

Regardless of your denominational affiliation, do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

Here they are:

1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.

2. That Jesus Christ is God.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

The Bible has many errors and was written by humans. The church made an idol or fetish out of it which stunts spiritual growth. The scripture was used to reject Jesus.

Jesus is a divine being, the Son of God.

Jesus never used the word “atonement” nor did he teach human or animal sacrifice in his original, pre-cross gospel.

#5 is correct.

 

[GingerBeer]

Regardless of your denominational affiliation, do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

Here they are:

1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.

Scripture is inspired by God and it is the words of God expressed in human language that have been made like human discourse its truth is set forth and expressed differently in texts which are variously historical, prophetic, poetic, or of other forms of discourse. To arrive at a correct understanding of what the scriptures assert, due attention must be paid to the customary and characteristic styles of feeling, speaking and narrating which prevailed at the time that the scriptures were written, and to the patterns men normally employed at that period in their everyday dealings with one another.

2. That Jesus Christ is God.

Jesus is God of the substance of the Father begotten before creation, and he is man of the substance of His mother born in the world; perfect God and perfect man subsisting of a reasoning soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as touching his Godhead, inferior to the Father as touching his manhood. Who although he is God and man yet he is not two but one Christ; one however not by conversion of the GodHead in the flesh, but by taking of the manhood in God; one altogether not by confusion of substance but by unity of Person.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.

The Son of God came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. The man Jesus Christ.

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.

For our sake Jesus Christ was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

Jesus Christ ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

 

[mukk_in]

Regardless of your denominational affiliation, do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

Here they are:

1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.

2. That Jesus Christ is God.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

Yes and amen to every single point. Thanks for the post. Peace in Christ .

 

[FenderTL5]

The five points in the OP are the points which were put forward in a multi-volume work, The Fundamentals, which are as close as one gets to a foundational document for fundamentalism as a Christian movement.

Foundation of what fundamental movement?
The points read like yet another protestant schism.

 

[Paidiske]

Foundation of what fundamental movement?

Fundamentalism (as a movement primarily within American Protestant Christianity).

It's really only something that arose in the 19th century, in reaction to other movements within Christian thought (particularly critical scholarship and theological liberalism), and the work I referred to was published in the early 20th century, and gave the movement its key theological reference points.

 

[LadyKay]

Regardless of your denominational affiliation, do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

Here they are:

1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.

2. That Jesus Christ is God.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

Yeah. Sounds right to me.

 

[Urban_Legend]

The fact remains that no one will ever know the true meaning and relationship between Jesus and God...at least not before the coming of Christ.

 

[BobRyan]

Regardless of your denominational affiliation, do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

Here they are:

1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.

2. That Jesus Christ is God.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

Yes but the list is not long enough.

6. That the Bible - all of it -- is the final judge of all Christian doctrine and practice (Act 17:11, 2 Tim 3:16, Gal 1:6-9)
7. That "we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" (2 Cor 5:10) - and that no pastor/priest/pope will stand in our place. We alone will be accountable for our own decisions. (Romans 2:4-6)
8. That Christ is the "one mediator between God and man" (1 Tim 2:5). Our High Priest Heb (8:1-5).
9. That each individual may go "boldly before the throne of Grace (Heb 4:16) - directly to God to find mercy in time of need" Heb 4:16.
10. That the "saints keep the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
11. That there is only "one Gospel" Gal 1:6-9
12. The the New Covenant is that Gospel and applies to all Christians - providing for adoption into the family of God, forgiveness of sins, and the Law of God written on the heart and mind - Hebrews 8:6-10

 

[Urban_Legend]

The truth of the matter is that we think we know but we really don't have a clue...we read the bible and study the words and the meanings, we as humans have an obsession with knowledge if we don't know something we make an effort, investigate and make a judgment on it according to our human worth...we might seem to think we really believe in something but deep down we know we heard it from another human...

I believe that all revelation comes from God and God alone (Holy spirit) ...The bible says that its in our human nature to turn away from God, by default if we had a choice without any influence 10 times out of 10 we would choose the "world" over God. The bible says that Jesus says we shall only enter the kingdom if we are "childlike", a child doesn't judge but only believes "O ye of little faith"...i just have a feeling that when all this ends...we will realise that we never really knew half the things we thought we knew.

(Matthew6:31-34) and (Romans12:2) to me is very fundamental and is a great stumbling block, very crucial in the development of a Christian and cannot be bypassed...

 

[Vicomte13]

I'll play:

Q. Do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

1A. That the Bible is inspired - YES

1B. and without error. - NO

2. That Jesus Christ is God. - YES, the way I mean it: JESUS IS DIVINE, the SON OF GOD, AND THEREFORE GOD FROM GOD. NO, the way others mean it.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin. - YES

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. - NO.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth. - YES

 

[Vicomte13]

I'LL PLAY SOME MORE

6. That the Bible - all of it -- is the final judge of all Christian doctrine and practice - ABSOLUTELY AND CATEGORICALLY NOT

7A. That we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ - YES

7B - and that no pastor/priest/pope will stand in our place. - YES

7C. We alone will be accountable for our own decisions. - YES

8A. That Christ is the mediator between God and man - NO. CHRIST IS ALSO GOD. CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN THE FATHER AND MAN.

8B. Our High Priest - YES.

9. That each individual may go boldly before the throne of Grace - directly to God to find mercy in time of need. - SURE - WHETHER EACH INDIVIDUAL SHOULD GO BOLDLY OR NOT IS A DIFFERENT MATTER.

 

[JES1023]

Regardless of your denominational affiliation, do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?

Here they are:

1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.

2. That Jesus Christ is God.

3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.

4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.

5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

AMEN!

 

[Viren]

I don't believe Jesus or rather Yahshua is gone and will return someday. He said I will never leave or forsake you.

 

[Tayla]

Do you affirm and believe the five so-called fundamentals?
1. That the Bible is inspired and without error.
2. That Jesus Christ is God.
3. That Jesus was born to a virgin.
4. That Jesus died as a substitutionary atonement for our sins.
5. That Jesus literally died, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and will return to earth.

1) No. The Bible is the inspired, inerrant, infallible word of God (but not the only word of God), but it has errors (meaning, it's not historically accurate nor scientifically accurate nor doctrinally accurate), and contains much fiction.
2) Yes, Jesus is the second person of the Trinity.
3) Yes. (And his mother, Mary, was sinless as Catholics teach.)
4) Not sure what this means. Sounds like it's all tangled up with animal sacrifices and such, or with the intellectualized philosophy of early and medieval Christianity emphasizing Aristotle and Plato. In becoming human, Jesus deified human nature making eternal redemption possible. In dying and being resurrected, Jesus provided a way for those who will accept his gift of redemption to become deified.
5) Yes.