Do we need DHS?

[Arcangl86]

I have a simple question. Do we need to have a Department of Homeland Security? Is there a need for a separate Cabinet Department when all the functions that are currently done by DHS were done by other agencies for years, and without the additional overhead needed for a whole new department.

 

[timothyu]

When God took away the freedoms of the Jews in the OT they were monitored by overlords. The same applies with the US. When freedoms are given up the people need to be monitored.

 

[d taylor]

No the people do not, but a gov that is looking for more control does need this and i am sure more is coming. Probably in the future policing will be done by the military.

 

[hislegacy]

I have a simple question. Do we need to have a Department of Homeland Security? Is there a need for a separate Cabinet Department when all the functions that are currently done by DHS were done by other agencies for years, and without the additional overhead needed for a whole new department.

DHS was formed 17 years ago, so no, it's not a whole new department. Other components of the DHS include the US Coast Guard, Citizenship and Immigration Services, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the Secret Service. There are also a number of secretary offices that serve as Homeland Security agencies in overseeing other aspects of national security.

It brings centralized communications under one 'roof'.

 

[wing2000]

It brings centralized communications under one 'roof'.

..or so one might assume. I would not bet on it. For years the Army and Air Force had problems communicating on the battle field...long after the DoD was created.

 

[morse86]

Security against what?!?!?!? Why do we need such monolithic things????

 

[timothyu]

They just weaponized sound scripture. You can't have agencies investigating each other, and at the time especially over 9/11.

Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

 

[hislegacy]

Security against what?!?!?!? Why do we need such monolithic things????

Sounds incredibly like a quote from pre 1941

 

[morse86]

Sounds incredibly like a quote from pre 1941

I think this sums up everything:

 

[CaspianSails]

I say yes. DHS has improved the sub agencies in many ways and has eliminated a lot of waste that occurred when the agencies were completely separate. I have done work for many of these agencies over the years and while there is still waste in many areas, they have improved efficiency in many costly areas of the organizations. Much still needs to be done but there has been great improvement and cost reductions already.

 

[timothyu]

Man puts so much emphasis on what powerful institutions they may build but they are all dependant on other inventions of man and so the mighty shall fall at their own hand. In today's world especially all the power and glory is gone in an instant as soon as the power goes out. If it stays out blessed are they that depended on what God provides rather than the intelligence of man. Recent history has shown even the most sophisticated of weaponry is no match against primitive man.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

I have a simple question. Do we need to have a Department of Homeland Security? Is there a need for a separate Cabinet Department when all the functions that are currently done by DHS were done by other agencies for years, and without the additional overhead needed for a whole new department.

I am not entirely certain if the DHS is related to this, but after 9/11 I remember hearing that so many of the individual organizations were not exchanging information sufficiently to keep us safe, so moves were put in place to make sure sharing of intelligence was broader. I don't know if the DHS covers that or if the controls have been enacted, but certainly, as you said there were many groups doing the various roles.

I personally wonder if the TSA is worthy of our tax dollars. I want to feel safe getting on a plane but it also sounds like TSA has some issues that compromise it's value just based on the various reports that have come out over the years.

I once heard that the Israelis are experts at assessing threat risks of fliers using people who watch individuals in the crowds, but again, I don't know how effective that is.

 

[hislegacy]

I think this sums up everything:

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