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Do not harm the oil and the wine

Discussion in 'Daily Devotionals' started by mikeforjesus, Nov 29, 2020.

  1. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

    Oriental Orthodox
    This is the message that is important to preach

    This is just one of the useful comments in the below thread. Though I think it is harsh for us to say because it may not be our job to judge others as it is said take the plank out of our eyes to see clearly to take the speck out of another’s. It is harsh if we judge if others are not preaching as we do it is we that need to unless such preaching is required from everyone but is it is not rather the local churches the blame for the famine in the world if they are not preaching the word of God and us.I do think he may be fighting true servants of God if they are in fact doing things for the sake of Christ and so allowed to rejoice and willing to preach the full word of God

    In Revelation 6:6 what is meant by "Do not damage the oil and the wine”?


    “Hurt not the oil and the wine” speaks of not hurting the rejoicing…..the rejoicing of the false prophets who have become rich in this time of famine (the famine of hearing the words of God).

    We are in this famine now as there are many who are retailing the Word of God and deceiving many…making merchandise of people… for their own unjust gain.

    The shepherds are only feeding themselves as the flock is not being fed spiritually with the sincere Word of God spoken in Christ.

    The famine is severe and is part of the judgment of God upon the churches of men who have no understanding (no knowledge = black horse = famine of hearing the words of God) of the Scriptures .

    Revelation 6:5-6 KJV (5) And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. (6) And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

    “Wine” makes the heart of man glad and “oil” makes his face to shine. The “bread”….the “grain”….the Bread of Heaven…strengthens man’s heart.

    Yet, this Bread is not being heard in the churches of men who preach for money and the people only feed on "crumbs" rather than the "meat" of the Truth.

    Psalms 104:14-15 KJV (14) He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; (15) And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

    The “oil” is the “oil of gladness” in the hearts and faces of men.

    Psalms 45:7 KJV (7) Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    False prophets always preach for money’s sake in order to get their earthly needs met…..and they are allowed to rejoice (for now) in their activities in this day that the flock is being slaughtered. See to it that the oil and wine are not hurt as they are allowed to rejoice.

    The “possessors”…the buyers (those making merchandise of the flock of the slaughter)….rejoice: “Blessed be the LORD, for I am rich”. Their own shepherds have no pity on those they are deceiving and making merchandise of.

    Zechariah 11:4-5 KJV (4) Thus saith the LORD my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter; (5) Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the LORD; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not.

    They live in pleasure on the earth. Their hearts are nourished….as they rejoice even as the flock is being slaughtered (the flock of the slaughter). They have no pity as these things are going on as they are too busy rejoicing in their profitable activities done through deceit.

    James 5:4-6 KJV (4) Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. (5) Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

    The life of Jesus is being prevented from ever appearing in the outer mortal flesh of those who they are deceiving as the good news is not being correctly understood in those who are perishing from off this earth.

    The eternal life of Jesus is being cut off from manifesting in this earth by the deceitful words of false prophets who falsely proclaim “peace, peace” to us where there is none. They are not preaching the Word of God sincerely in Christ but instead are preaching the word of men that does not benefit anyone who listens to them as the flesh of no one is being saved as the flock perishes from off this earth.

    (6) Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

    The false prophets falsely prophesy “peace” in this place…in their churches where they always take from you.

    Yet, there is no peace but instead we find the judgment of God in their midst: the sword and FAMINE of hearing the Word of God spoken in Christ…and also pestilence and death.

    Jeremiah 14:13-16 KJV (13) Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. (14) Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. (15) Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

    We must not be deceived by them and go and sit together with them in their churches or we perish along with them. If we are already there, we must come out from among them and be separate.

    (16) And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

    The false prophets are there serving for their own belly (the meats for the belly) and are being destroyed for it (both the meats and the belly are destroyed by God)….and we must not sit together (the “fornication”) with the son of destruction or we perish along with them.

    1 Corinthians 6:13-19 KJV (13) Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. (14) And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

    We must NOT be joined together with them in their churches where they use their mouths to preach for money’s sake. We become one flesh with them in their destruction as our mortal body shall perish from off this earth when we sit together with them in their destruction for their deceitful activities.

    (15) Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. (16) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. (17) But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

    We must flee the “fornication”….the being joined together with them in their churches.

    If we sit together with them in their congregations, we are sinning against our own mortal body as we perish along with them in their judgment…in their destruction.

    (18) Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. (19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

    They preach the “word of men”…handling the Word of God deceitfully for their own gain…..and very little truth is being “fed” to those who listen to them. The people are only being fed “crumbs” and not the meat of the Word of God as their congregations give them their hard-earned pay.

    They have no knowledge (the black horse) of the Scriptures as it is “night” or darkness to those who are preaching for money’s sake….serving for their own belly (the god of this age).

    They have no understanding of the Scriptures. If they have no understanding, then they cannot be preaching the Word of Truth to those who are listening to them.

    2 Corinthians 4:1-4 KJV (1) Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

    The false prophets are handling the Word of God deceitfully in order to get their belly fed.

    (2) But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

    The good news of the eternal life of Jesus that is to be made manifest in our mortal flesh in this earth is not understood as the “god of this world”…their belly…has blinded the minds of those who are “lost” (that is, PERISHING from off this earth) lest they should understand and be saved.

    (3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: (4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    Shouldn’t the shepherds be feeding the flock the Word of Truth rather than feeding themselves with their own earthly necessities gained from their congregations by handling the Word of God deceitfully? They are not feeding the flock.

    Ezekiel 34:1-3 KJV (1) And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, (2) Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks? (3) Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.

    They cry “peace” to those who put food in their mouths but prepare war against those who will not.

    Micah 3:5-7 KJV (5) Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.

    They have no understanding of the Scriptures because of this. It is “night” unto them. It is “dark” unto them. The black horse represents the lack of knowing/understanding of God’s words and the “famine” that is a result of it.

    (6) Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. (7) Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.

    They preach for money’s sake and still think that the LORD is among them and that no evil can come upon them. They do not even realize that the judgments of God (the 4 horses) are upon them even as they speak.

    Micah 3:11 KJV (11) The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

    MANY follow after them in their destructive ways and are being destroyed along with them in their judgment.

    2 Peter 2:1-4 KJV (1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

    Through covetousness do they with feigned words make merchandise of you. Their judgment does not linger nor does their destruction slumbers as the judgment of God is already upon them and those who are sitting together with them.

    (3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

    They are in “darkness” as they have no understanding of the Scriptures.

    (4) For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    Their “god” is their belly that they are preaching to feed only. Their end is destruction. They are the son of perdition that we must not sit together with.

    Philippians 3:18-21 KJV (18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

    They are only minding earthly things in their preaching. The earthly things: what to eat, what to drink, what to wear.

    (19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

    They have no understanding of the good news (the gospel) for the here-and-now. They are not looking for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ to come and transfigure (change)…transform…our humiliated-by-sin mortal body to be like unto His. This good news is for this earth and not after we “die and go to heaven” as preached by those who are perishing (dying off this earth).

    (20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: (21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

    Yet, they are allowed to rejoice in their activities even as the flock is being destroyed and their possessors have no pity on them. Behold, there is “joy and gladness” while the flock is being destroyed as they preach “let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die”.

    Isaiah 22:12-14 KJV (12) And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth: (13) And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die. (14) And it was revealed in mine ears by the LORD of hosts, Surely this iniquity shall not be purged from you till ye die, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

    “Tophet” speaks of the drum or tambourine beating of rejoicing of the rich pastors while the people perish in the valley of slaughter. They have no pity upon their congregations as they are filled with joy and gladness as the sheep perish. Hurt not the oil and the wine as they are preoccupied with their own rejoicing and have no reason to turn from their ways.

    Jeremiah 7:30-34 KJV (30) For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it. (31) And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. (32) Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place. (33) And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.

    The voice of joy…the voice of gladness….shall be ceased only when the Lord comes to deliver us from them as He will open up the Scriptures to our understanding.

    (34) Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

    The Lord comes to deliver us from such men who are only feeding themselves with their “preaching” who diminish the Word of God and make the “shekel” great.

    They focus only on money…making it very important (making the shekel great….highly esteemed, large) as they diminish the Word of God to nothing in our hearing (the balances that weigh what they say). They handle the Word of God in our hearing (the balances) deceitfully.

    Amos 8:4-5 KJV (4) Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail, (5) Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?

    Why spend (weigh) money for that which is not “bread”…or grain?

    Isaiah 55:1-3 KJV (1) Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

    Their “grain” does not satisfy us. Why “labor” for that which does not satisfy? Why pay the “pastors” who have no understanding and are not feeding anyone but themselves?

    Our hearts are not nourished by their words that they are preaching. Only the words of the Lord can give our souls rejoicing if only we would diligently hear Him. Our “soul shall live” as we shall rejoice in what we hear Him saying.

    (2) Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. (3) Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David
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  2. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

    Oriental Orthodox
    It was important to preach that message though I don’t mean to offend even pastors who don’t know they are doing wrong yet we must all repent and teach the truth. I think some pastors honestly are trying to serve God who are open to learning and teaching the truth. And I can learn from those who are honestly seeking to help others. I suppose all who seek donations need to keep it apart for ministry only which should be used immediately not to store for their needs and only keep enough for their needs. I don’t think it is right to judge people who do not feel called to preach if they are not gifted but they need to raise money for donations.

    But they must not preach against the word of God and they must not be afraid to preach the truth. But they should direct people to hear from those who truly preach the word of God admitting they are not focusing on it which some do. But they are required also to defend the truth offair and write showing one commitment to following Christ and teaching others to they can’t deny certain truths if they want to be called Christians if that means no one watches their programs then it seems God wouldn’t want them to do ministry what shall it profit the man if he gains the world and loses his soul

    A good minister deserves to be compensated for his needs and his family Paul said who plants a vineyard and does not eat from it. They deserve a fair compensation to support their family and to be able to continue to support their ministry but they have to teach the true word of God. I suppose some people do not feel their calling is to preach but to encourage to raise money for the poor yet they must not teach against the word of God. Are they not technically right that it is not wrong for Christians to seek to prosper as long as their soul prospers as St. John said that they give to all in need ?

    Not prosper for themselves to be rich and in luxury but that they prosper for themselves to help others. But we need to really seek first the kingdom of God and its righteousness and do not worry about tommorow for tommorow will worry about its own things if you say that means no one should work then why did Paul say let all give such as he prospers and God loves a cheerful giver and St. John says he wishes people prosper even as their soul prospers no one should trust in riches to deliver them does them mean no one should save money while the bible says a good man leaves an inheritance to children’s children it could be inheritance of godliness and the bible says he who does not provide for his own is worse than an unbeliever does it mean only that you should not worry that God will not provide for you if you look for work but parents have to support children. It may mean only while such work is lawful but parents are responsible to look after the needs of those who can’t look after themselves as when running businesses becomes unlawful you need to be trusting in God to help show you how to survive and you have to help the weak too who don’t know about God and how to depend on Him. Parents have a responsibility to prosper to supply children with better life but should not teach children to trust in riches. Also they should not spoil their children but teach them to be godly that is more important and also required they must not make them trust in riches only to provide them with better life and only to support those who have not yet learned to depend on God to help them work to support themselves.

    They should write in their free time about the truth being necessary to show you are commited to following God and you should keep riches only for supporting the ministry they should not live richer than others but live godly lives for themselves and their children. If one chose the path of ministry then one must not live in more luxury than others but one profits should only go to others needs and ones needs being content with food and clothing that your ministry may not be blamed. As Paul said he commends himself as a true minister of Christ by his holy living. We should not live as kings either but we should give to the poor Paul said they are already full that they have already reigned as kings that he wants them to reign as kings but they can not do so without giving to others and supporting the needs of apostles that they all have their needs met only but they will not demand it without their repentance without them also following God but they don’t have a right for riches if they are not following God

    As Paul said these words to Timothy which we must all follow

    1 Timothy 6:6-19
    6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
    The Good Confession
    11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
    Instructions to the Rich
    17 Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy. 18 Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, 19 storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
    Grace be with you. Amen.

    1 Corinthians 4:6-13
    6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other. 7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?
    8 You are already full! You are without us—and indeed I could wish you did reign, that we also might reign with you! 9 For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! 11 To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. 12 And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; 13 being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.
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