"I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to posess the kingdom" (Dan. vii. 21-22).
The saints are persecuted by this satanic king. The horn here is the little horn of Daniel viii, which is described as the antichrist in Revlation also.
"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time" (Dan. vii. 25).
For 3 1/2 years the antichrist will be permitted by God to persecute the saints.
"Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help, but many shall join with them by flattery. And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time" (Dan. xii. 32-35).
Many believers will be purified and brought closer to their Saviour through the suffering that the Adversary will inflict on them.
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. xii. 17).
Who keeps the commandments of God and has the testimony of Jesus Christ, but us? There are some Jews that believe in Christ, but on the whole they have rejected Him. But one day "all Israel shall be saved" (Rom. xi. 26).
"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world...here is the patience and faith of the saints" (Rev. xiii. 5-10).
Again, the 3 1/2 years are mentioned as in Daniel. It is granted to the antichrist "TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS AND TO OVERCOME THEM". There is no massive, secret rapture of all believers before the great tribulation. There would be no christians left for the man of sin to persecute!
"Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
And I said to him, "Sir, you know."
So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb...they shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat...God will wipe away every tear from their eyes" (Rev. vii. 13-17).
They "COME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION". Notice that hunger, thirst, and heat are suffered by these saints. Tears of suffering are wiped off their faces by God.
"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened" (Mt. xxiv. 21-22).
The Lord shortens the days of great tribulation for THE ELECT'S SAKE. These are christians who are alive during this time of calamity and persecution. He does it for THEIR SAKE.
"But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. THEN they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with power and great glory. And THEN He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds..." (Mk. xiii. 24-27).
Do we need to explain this passage or interpret it? No, it is very plain. Christ will not come until after the tribulation. The rapture does not happen until after the tribulation. Read it again, please. And again. Memorize it.
"The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God" (I Thess. iv. 16).
"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMPET..." (I Cor xv. 51-52).
WHEN IS THE LAST TRUMPET; THE TRUMPET THAT SOUNDS UPON CHRIST'S RETURN? THE SEVENTH TRUMPET, HERALDED BY THE OPENING OF THE SEVENTH SEAL (Rev. viii), AND PRECEDED BY THE OTHER SIX TRUMPETS OF JUDGMENT.
"Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'" (Rev. xi. 16).
"For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Rev. xxii. 18-19).
Please, if you have serious objections, include scripture to back up your claim so I can know where you get your convictions from. God Bless you and move you to study these passages with prayer so that you may accept the truth and grow in the Spirit.
nagantmosin
The saints are persecuted by this satanic king. The horn here is the little horn of Daniel viii, which is described as the antichrist in Revlation also.
"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time" (Dan. vii. 25).
For 3 1/2 years the antichrist will be permitted by God to persecute the saints.
"Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help, but many shall join with them by flattery. And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time" (Dan. xii. 32-35).
Many believers will be purified and brought closer to their Saviour through the suffering that the Adversary will inflict on them.
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. xii. 17).
Who keeps the commandments of God and has the testimony of Jesus Christ, but us? There are some Jews that believe in Christ, but on the whole they have rejected Him. But one day "all Israel shall be saved" (Rom. xi. 26).
"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world...here is the patience and faith of the saints" (Rev. xiii. 5-10).
Again, the 3 1/2 years are mentioned as in Daniel. It is granted to the antichrist "TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS AND TO OVERCOME THEM". There is no massive, secret rapture of all believers before the great tribulation. There would be no christians left for the man of sin to persecute!
"Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
And I said to him, "Sir, you know."
So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb...they shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat...God will wipe away every tear from their eyes" (Rev. vii. 13-17).
They "COME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION". Notice that hunger, thirst, and heat are suffered by these saints. Tears of suffering are wiped off their faces by God.
"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened" (Mt. xxiv. 21-22).
The Lord shortens the days of great tribulation for THE ELECT'S SAKE. These are christians who are alive during this time of calamity and persecution. He does it for THEIR SAKE.
THE RAPTURE/CHRIST'S COMING IS AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION
"But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. THEN they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with power and great glory. And THEN He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds..." (Mk. xiii. 24-27).
Do we need to explain this passage or interpret it? No, it is very plain. Christ will not come until after the tribulation. The rapture does not happen until after the tribulation. Read it again, please. And again. Memorize it.
"The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God" (I Thess. iv. 16).
"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMPET..." (I Cor xv. 51-52).
WHEN IS THE LAST TRUMPET; THE TRUMPET THAT SOUNDS UPON CHRIST'S RETURN? THE SEVENTH TRUMPET, HERALDED BY THE OPENING OF THE SEVENTH SEAL (Rev. viii), AND PRECEDED BY THE OTHER SIX TRUMPETS OF JUDGMENT.
"Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'" (Rev. xi. 16).
"For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Rev. xxii. 18-19).
Please, if you have serious objections, include scripture to back up your claim so I can know where you get your convictions from. God Bless you and move you to study these passages with prayer so that you may accept the truth and grow in the Spirit.
nagantmosin