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Hi,
I'm not familiar with messianic jews, i'd like to learn more about your faith.
Just a simple question, as in the title, do you believe in the trinity?
Have there been messianic jews through the ages since Jesus's time?
It says in the bible that God is One, i think it's called the Shahada... "hear O Israel, the Lord your God is One"
Deut. 6:4-- That is the Sh'ma
This is how my prayer booklet puts it:
"The one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the maker, and preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost"
That's pretty much how I learned it, too.
That description is accurate to what i believe
I think you can tell from their icons. Non-Trinitarians use a different oneIt's a good question, I think. I've heard a lot of varied opinions here on the forum, but I'm not sure who believes what regarding the Trinity.
That's my understanding, and isn't that in the forum rules somewhere?ToI think that the standard MJ position is that the traditional teachings on the Trinity of the Christian Church are basically right. Is that correct?
Hi,
I'm not familiar with messianic jews, i'd like to learn more about your faith.
Just a simple question, as in the title, do you believe in the trinity?
Have there been messianic jews through the ages since Jesus's time?
I think you can tell from their icons. Non-Trinitarians use a different one
than Trinitarans
That's my understanding, and isn't that in the forum rules somewhere?To
use the scroll icon instead of the menorah, one must accept the trinity?
I get that from the CF rules too, but I'm not quite there but I'm not non-trin either.
About a 7-8 months ago, someone here told me I was a modalist (and I guess this was deemed heresy back when the RCC had all the answers) but that's how I see the Trinity. God is One. He can't split himself up into 3 distinct persons. That just doesn't compute. So I do not have the normal Christian view of the Trinity (and it's still evolving in my pea-brain from its embryonic stage).
Because the term "Holy Spirit" is a title for the Father I see no reason to be a Trinitarian. Before the 3rd century there was no Trinitarin formula in scriptures.Hi,
I'm not familiar with messianic jews, i'd like to learn more about your faith.
Just a simple question, as in the title, do you believe in the trinity?
Have there been messianic jews through the ages since Jesus's time?
Because the term "Holy Spirit" is a title for the Father I see no reason to be a Trinitarian. Before the 3rd century there was no Trinitarin formula in scriptures.
No, that's not how I explained it Yonah, but someone said it was modalistic. I don't have a name for it, but what you described is NOT what I believe. But then you know where I'm at. And it's definitely not the view of 3 distinct persons in one - that just doesn't work.
Should your icon not be non-Trinitarian, then, Yedida? Trinitarian is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Yeshua left this earth and returned to the Father in order that the Holy Spirit may come and dwell within us.
I do believe in the 3 just not the way it's normally taught. It could be that it just can't be put into our finite language and I'm not quite seeing something that the other person is trying to explain rather poorly. I don't know. I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but they are one, not 3.
I look at Moses. The Spirit was on him, so that leaving so the Spirit could come doesn't jive. The Spirit was also on the 70. The the Spirit was on the groups of disciples that Yeshua sent out. Maybe I analyze things too much, but I just don't understand why the leaving had anything to do with the coming....???
The Holy Spirit was only given, before Yeshua's arrival, for specific purposes and for a specific time. After Yeshua's arrival he was given, without such restrictions, to believers as G_d decided. No problem there for Moses having the Spirit!
I could argue the finer points but we'd just wind up right where we are, so it would be to no avail. Besides I can't really put into words how I understand the trinity because my biggest and first-most belief is that God is One.
I could argue the finer points but we'd just wind up right where we are, so it would be to no avail. Besides I can't really put into words how I understand the trinity because my biggest and first-most belief is that God is One.
I too am of this persuasion, but my studies have lead me to understand that Yeshua is the "Memra," "the Word". The Memra is the part of God The One who interacts with the world in a way that the Holy part of HaShem cannot because of sin - hence Johns "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God". They are the same, One, the only issue about this oneness I havent yet resolved is where the Holy Spirit fits in, but Im sure I'll get there!
So I guess I might be non-trin, but I very much believe that Yeshua is God, so maybe Im not non-trin - you tell me, Id love to know cos it gets me confused
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