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Featured Do I have the Holy Spirit?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by thelord's_pearl, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. Daniel Marsh

    Daniel Marsh Well-Known Member

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    Ephesians 5:18 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
    18 Don’t be drunk with wine, which will ruin your life, but be filled with the Spirit.

    Read through the books of Acts, concentrate on Holy Spirit, Spirit, full, fill, filled --- you will find that being filled with the HS, gives you energy to do God's will. Often boldness to share the Gospel..

    Ephesians 4:5There is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism.
     
  2. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Did the Lord give you understanding?

    Acts of the Apostles 16:14-15
    14 One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message. 15 When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. “If you consider me a believer in the Lord,” she said, “come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us.

    Has the Lord so moved you such that you understand and believe - a deep belief in your heart?

    Believers baptism would follow after that belief..
     
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  3. Daniel Marsh

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    Thank God you did not visit a Baptist Church.
     
  4. Daniel Marsh

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    read to here

    I am sure we are all praying for the person in the OP.
     
  5. thelord's_pearl

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    No I did not have enough understanding and still don't, it would take careful studying and learning of the Bible to have a 'deep belief' but I do have faith/put my faith in Jesus Christ. They didn't even call it 'believer's baptism', it seems the young lady wasn't exactly very mature or was influenced to get people to be baptized in a hurry without having good judgment of when one is really ready.
     
  6. Mountainmanbob

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    The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Did we control that?
    Don't think so.
    M-Bob
     
  7. Hazelelponi

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    We all begin with the kernels of faith and then it grows from there as we grow in the faith.
     
  8. Saint JOHN

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    Ok basics....you will know...

    Acts 2v37 + …
    , Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent,( babies cant !!) and be baptized (greek=dip immerse etc symbol of burial ) every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    how do you KNOW you did it Gods way..

    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
    18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    or just follow man made ideas and believe the Easter bunny God stuff !! make excuses why not !!

    package deal (all) .. you dont get this unless you do it Gods way

    Joh 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

    new test command...

    Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

    so to worship according to the truth.. HIS WAY !!

    1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

    1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
     
  9. GaveMeJoy

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    Walking in the Holy Spirit and being filled by the Holy Spirit according to Ephesians describes the act of being in obedience to the spirit and right standing of the Holy Spirit which is actually already inside you, as it entered at the point of salvation. The second filling, or additional dwelling often referred to in these types of discussions is presented as a mystical and required second possession which is not biblical IMO but there are different interpretations that I can respect. I do not, however, believe that there is a second indwelling necessary for salvation, nor do I believe speaking in tongues is a requirement of salvation. These are lies preached by false prophets in some branches of the Pentecostal movement.
     
  10. thelord's_pearl

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    I have faith in Jesus Christ that He is my Lord and Savior and I put my faith in Him. I also have this impression in me that Jesus is real and feel that I cannot depart from Him. but I can also say at times I'm not so sure Jesus is real but I know a lot more than when I was teen.
     
  11. Thomas White

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    Everyone doubts. It's natural to question. It doesn't mean you lost your salvation. It means you are a rational being. Pray. Study. Immerse yourself. The trust will come.
     
  12. Peter John

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    Oh! I was with them too, in ignorance, for 3yrs. It's all about defining the words baptism & baptised, which come from 2 words in the Greek. Bapto & baptizo, which means to cover (atone) & to stain or dye (blood). It is also a verbal noun, meaning the subject does not move, & the liquid is poured over. If it meant to immerse, then the subject could not move, & would stay under.
    In Acts10v47 from the Greek Interlinear Bible - Not the water, forbid, that these should not be baptised.
     
  13. Daniel Marsh

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    Simply, ask God to fill you with his Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is not given to everyone because it is least of the gifts. I cor 12 -14 explains the gifts. Ask God to give you the higher gifts. Talk with friends or others at Church because often they will recognize your gifting.
     
  14. Daniel Marsh

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    Hi Peter, my problem with the Baptists is that many congregations do not accept the Baptism of another Baptist denominations.

    An early church manual called the Didache (dates 80 to 110 AD) tells us,

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    7:1 But concerning baptism, thus shall ye baptize.
    7:2 Having first recited all these things, baptize {in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit} in living (running) water.
    7:3 But if thou hast not living water, then baptize in other water;
    7:4 and if thou art not able in cold, then in warm.
    7:5 But if thou hast neither, then pour water on the head thrice in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
    7:6 But before the baptism let him that baptizeth and him that is baptized fast, and any others also who are able;
    7:7 and thou shalt order him that is baptized to fast a day or two before.
    "
    Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation J. B. Lightfoot).
    Baptism in the Early Church

    Numbers 8:7This is what you should do to make them clean: Sprinkle the special water from the sin offering on them. This water will make them clean. Then they must shave their bodies and wash their clothes. This will make their bodies clean.

    God says,
    Ezekiel 36:25
    I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you.

    Hebrews 10:22let us approach with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

    The earliest church fathers were taught by the Apostles.
     
  15. Francis Drake

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    If you would open your eyes, you would see that in principle, it is exactly the same thing.

    Jesus was born by the action of the Holy Spirit on a very humble young woman called Mary, That means Jesus was born from above, not from earth.
    Then we see Jesus telling Nicodemus-
    Jn3v3Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, (literally, "born from above) he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
    Thus in similar fashion to Jesus, we must be born from above by the Holy Spirit, otherwise we remain spiritually dead.

    It is scripture that draws that comparison to Jesus, not me!

    But despite being born from above, and as you put it, being God incarnate, Jesus did not walk in power till the Holy Spirit came upon him and filled him.
    Likewise, believers who are born of the spirit, still do not walk in power till they get filled with the spirit.
    I agree, but false teaching will not help him either.
     
  16. Daniel Marsh

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    speechless
     
  17. Thomas White

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    This is stretch in so many ways. No where in scripture does it say that Jesus was not always God incarnate. You and I do not and never will possess the power he possesses. He is God. He always was God. He always will be God. Jesus quite explicitly made it clear what we must do to recieve eternal life. He gave examples of people recieving salvation without baptism. It is not our place to question the salvation of any person. That is between him/her and God.
     
  18. Peter John

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    Our hearts are sprinkled by Christ's blood, (spiritually) like the Ark was sprinkled (literally). Heb10v1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things.....
    Mk10v38-39
    38 But Yeshua said to them, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”

    39 They said to Him, “We are able.”

    So Yeshua said to them, “You will indeed drink the cup that I drink, and with the baptism I am baptized with you will be baptized;

    Blood baptism is death to self, & drinking the cup, is what James & John did, by dying a martyr's death. Water baptism was only to be a citizen of Israel, along with 2 turtle doves or pigeons & circumcision. Yeshua got the proselyte baptism to fulfil righteousness, & be heard in Judah, as the Pharisees said nothing good can come from Nazareth.
     
  19. thelord's_pearl

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    I'm female
     
  20. Peter John

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    Speaking in tongues was an infant gift of the 1st century church 1Cor13v8 But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
    This was given to the disciples, so that all who came with different dialects, could hear them in their language. Not some odd language like I spoke, when I was a pentecostal for 10yrs (hides embarrassment), & ignorant of it's definition.
    By the way, God's elect have the Holy Spirit within them, there is no need to keep asking to be filled, like putting petrol in a car, it's about self dying daily, Lk9v23, & the inner man growing by Faith. As the Kingdom of God is within us, as He has made us Kings & Priests (2 witnesses) Rev1v6.
     
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