Do homosexuals love or lust for each other ?

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Here is a comment by the bible scholar, the late Walter Wink, on the verse above:

Putting these texts to the side, we are left with three references, all of which unequivocally condemn homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 states the principle: "You [masculine] shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." The second (Lev. 20:13) adds the penalty: "If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them."

Such an act was considered as an "abomination" for several reasons. The Hebrew prescientific understanding was that male sperm contained the whole of nascent life. With no knowledge of eggs and ovulation, it was assumed that the woman provided only the incubating space. Hence the spilling of sperm for any non-procreative purpose -- in coitus interruptus (Gen 38:1-11), male homosexual acts or male masturbation -- was considered tantamount to abortion or murder. (Female homosexual acts and masturbation were consequently not so seriously regarded.) One can appreciate how a tribe struggling to populate a country in which its people were outnumbered would value procreation highly, but such values are rendered questionable in a world facing total annihilation through overpopulation.

It seems like this bible scholar was suggesting God had no knowledge of eggs and ovulation and relied on Hebrew prescientific understanding when He said what He said in Leviticus 18:21-22:

"I am the Lord. You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
 
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If you look at statistics regarding homosexual promiscuity and STD/STI rates, you'll find the answer is lust, as Paul says in Romans 1:24-27: Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
 
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The biblical authors were writing in a time and place where "Greek love" was common. Indeed, many biblical texts are in Greek! I find it hard to believe that a philosophy of dualism "pervaded the culture" of the time.

Not the OT, that was written in Hebrew originally.
 
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If you look at statistics regarding homosexual promiscuity and STD/STI rates, you'll find the answer is lust, as Paul says in Romans 1:24-27: Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.


You don't think there could be alternative explanations, ones that are much more mundane than God singling out a group of people for "wrath"?
 
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If you look at statistics regarding homosexual promiscuity and STD/STI rates, you'll find the answer is lust, as Paul says in Romans 1:24-27: Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
You are quoting a verse from the bible, interpreting it, then applying to the whole cohort - like - I dont care if you believe youre in love, because this verse says youre not in love so therefore you arent despite the fact you have had the same partner for 40 years and now married him/her. That doesnt seem logical to me.
 
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Are they just using each other?
From the point of view of Christian morality, why would it really even matter?
Those who have decided to engage in intimate homosexual relationships have rejected Christian understandings of morality by the behavior. whether it is lust or love at that point, is really a matter between them at that point. Neither is better or worse from the point of view of sin.
 
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The very fact this is a question at all, that some debate gay orientation in the abstract, is dehumanizing.
I agree in general, but the OP may be coming from a position where all he hears about LGBT persons are excoriating polemics.

I recall asking a condescending question on OBOB to Catholics a few years ago, not out of hate, but out of ignorance of their beliefs.

If the OP is asking out of a yearning for more understanding, it's a fair question to ask, and the first response is an accurate one.
 
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I agree in general, but the OP may be coming from a position where all he hears about LGBT persons are excoriating polemics..

Why not get to know real gay people, then? Why ask Christians? It's not like Christians have the only possible understanding of what it means to love.

Part of what I understand it to mean to be a disciple of Jesus Christ is serving other people. And the best way to serve others is to get to know them on their own terms, not just on the terms of other people who have historic animus against them. Otherwise, as you said, it's just excoriating polemics.
 
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Homosexuality is simple narcissism, the love of self, since the homosexual loves the mirror image of themselves.

Homosexuality is not biblical Godly love.
They love someone thats of the same sex. Thats not even close to loving yourself. And narcissism doesnt pick a sexual orientation with it being prevalent within heterosexuals as well.
 
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The use each other like human [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] lusting to gratify perverted sexual deviance.

I am sure that some treat each other that way although I have nothing to base that on. But I do know for sure that a considerable number of heterosexuals do behave like that.
 
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They love someone thats of the same sex.

No. It is not love to "love" a mirror image. Nor can a man "love" a man as a husband loves his wife, or a woman love a woman as a wife love her husband. There is no love in a homosexual relationship because it is utter selfishness.

Thats not even close to loving yourself.

As mentioned above, homosexuality is looking to a mirror image, something God has defined as an abomination and complete rebellion to His creation.
 
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I think the Lord is much more merciful to homosexuals than he is to religious leaders who pander.
Well not once did He ever say that false religous leaders are an abomination to Him.
 
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Well not once did He ever say that false religous leaders are an abomination to Him.
But don't you think the Lord gets annoyed with a pastor who, in an effort to make himself popular, publicly gives his blessing to homosexuality, like so many seem to do?
 
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