Do Christians Consider it a Lack of Faith to Put Trust into Doctors?

[Anthony2019]

Our doctors are extremely skilled and knowledgeable.
As a patient, I cannot thank my doctor highly enough for the medical knowledge, care and support I have received over the years.
As a nurse, I am absolutely indebted to the kindness and support of doctors who took me under their wing and supported and taught me during my training.

 

[Guojing]

So you don't consider that Hebrews 8 applies to Christians?

I'm just trying to understand this new doctrine you're preaching.

Hebrews 8:8 is a promise to which 2 parties?

Are we either of the 2 parties?

 

[Guojing]

I live and steward that mystery. It appears you damage that mystery.

Do you think you are following the advice Paul gave us in 2 Timothy 2:15?

 

[HappyHope]

I would be very careful with saying the above. That can be construed as giving medical advice.

Also, my ex-wife has frequent UTIs and only antibiotics clears them up, for her.

Thanks for the heads up. I am not a medical professional nor am I an anti-medical professional in the least. I’m all about hospitals, doctors, and medicine. Praise the Lord for them. But I am not for blindly taking powerful drugs that could cause harm if there is another way. I am glad your wife found something that works for her situation.

I was never a chronic UTI sufferer myself. I can only imagine that struggle. No, thank you. I do know what has worked for me and my daughters if symptoms like this come up: cranberry products. There all sort of OTC stuff or herbs that can help people without the negative effects of prescription stuff. Again, I’m not against medicine, but overkill can be a thing in some situations.

 

[RDKirk]

Hebrews 8:8 is a promise to which 2 parties?

Are we either of the 2 parties?

It's your doctrine you're expounding, so expound it.

 

[Guojing]

It's your doctrine you're expounding, so expound it.

I already did in the post that you replied to

Do Christians Consider it a Lack of Faith to Put Trust into Doctors?

We were never under the Old Covenant (Ephesians 2:11-12), so why would you think God needed to make a New Covenant with us? (Hebrews 8:7-8)

 

[LightLoveHope]

There are also those who had cancer and sought prayer and are completely healed. (See post #87)

I am sure there are some who fall into this category, but my experience in church, my local church is the opposite. If you have over 30 years of people getting cancer, being prayed for and dying, you get the clear impression healing after prayer is rare.

One couple I know believed so strongly in God demonstrating His presence through healing and prophecy wanted to predict when they would give birth to the day as a witness. As far as I remember they got it wrong within when prophesied within the same week.

Other friends of mine wanted miracles so much, they were healed of the common cold. Another prayed for their pet dog. This is not faith, it is some desire to prove faith in action through miracles is the spiritual issue in the Kingdom. But walking in love and purity is the issue, a much harder and eternal perspective.

My sons wife came from a group where the leader got cancer, and believed God had healed them, if they had the faith. They died, which devastated the group. So when Jesus calls you home, it is satan and defeat, but if a miracle happens it is Gods will and justification of faith. The idea of God being sovereign and seeking His will seems to not occur to these folk, because their ministry is so important, it must carry on. A pastor of the church they attended had a word of knowledge, that the reason for the spiritual blockage was an event my son had aged 8 years old.

The trouble with this approach is it has little meaning and is more superstition than walking in faith and love, and causes confusion and the wrong emphasis on fellowships. Some have gone so far, that unless there are people slain in the spirit, angel feathers present, angelic jewels left, gold dust appearing, God is not moving.
Jaded is probably not the word for it, fraud and lies comes a lot closer.

God bless you

 

[Guojing]

I am sure there are some who fall into this category, but my experience in church, my local church is the opposite. If you have over 30 years of people getting cancer, being prayed for and dying, you get the clear impression healing after prayer is rare.

One couple I know believed so strongly in God demonstrating His presence through healing and prophecy wanted to predict when they would give birth to the day as a witness. As far as I remember they got it wrong within when prophesied within the same week.

Other friends of mine wanted miracles so much, they were healed of the common cold. Another prayed for their pet dog. This is not faith, it is some desire to prove faith in action through miracles is the spiritual issue in the Kingdom. But walking in love and purity is the issue, a much harder and eternal perspective.

My sons wife came from a group where the leader got cancer, and believed God had healed them, if they had the faith. They died, which devastated the group. So when Jesus calls you home, it is satan and defeat, but if a miracle happens it is Gods will and justification of faith. The idea of God being sovereign and seeking His will seems to not occur to these folk, because their ministry is so important, it must carry on. A pastor of the church they attended had a word of knowledge, that the reason for the spiritual blockage was an event my son had aged 8 years old.

The trouble with this approach is it has little meaning and is more superstition than walking in faith and love, and causes confusion and the wrong emphasis on fellowships. Some have gone so far, that unless there are people slain in the spirit, angel feathers present, angelic jewels left, gold dust appearing, God is not moving.
Jaded is probably not the word for it, fraud and lies comes a lot closer.

God bless you

Well said, I believe Paul has excellent advice in this area for us in the Body of Christ, when it comes to physical sicknesses

Romans 8:18-25

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

 

[LightLoveHope]

A tragic dilemma

One family in our church had a young son, who at age 6 developed a spine tumour. They asked for prayer, which was given. My heart truly went out to them and I believed for a work of God to help in this situation. Though the cancer was extensive it came under control and subsided for about 4 years.

The family were taken up with the attention this young man needed as well as having two other children. The cancer later returned and the young boy passed away in faith.

To me God was very gracious, to answer His people and give respite for a time to this family. I see the Lords hand working His purposes out, and not resolving all issues into a perfect life, but working through difficult situations to the ultimate place, communion with Him, face to face. In our age we tend to value life to being 70+, which in historical terms truly unusual. I see our learning to walk with the Lord and count as a blessing each day He gives us, is our testimony to the glory of His name, whether He takes us, and calls us to continue. Which would you rather have, to be with the Lord or to continue in struggle in the world? I know which I would rather have, Praise the Lord.

God bless you

 

[topher694]

Do you think you are following the advice Paul gave us in 2 Timothy 2:15?

Yes, I've got the fruit that follows is. You, however, are not following it, especially verse 16.

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

i was raised in a methodist church; when i got my drivers license at 16, i started helping out with some of the work around the church and joined the choir. the choir met every wednesday night, followed by a weekly prayer service. we had a running prayer list of people who needed help; most were elderly and sick, but there were people of all ages at various times and for various reasons - but for the most part the people we prayed for were suffering from poor health. we prayed diligently; we took it seriously; there were about 5 of us that would meet regularly in a church with around 40 people at sunday morning services, and a membership of over a hundred. i had begun to read the bible regularly, and began to notice that much of what we would say when we prayed didn't seem to line up with scripture - for example, Jesus rebuked sickness; we asked God to help in as humble a way as we knew. over time, few recovered.

the specialist physician i went to when i was diagnosed with cancer was a good, caring man; he took his job seriously, and i could tell that it grieved him when he told me that the cancer i had didn't respond to chemo or radiation, and there was no known treatment. i could tell that it grieved him that he couldn't help me. i have no doubt that the vast majority of physicians and nurses are good, moral people who do their best to help their patients.

i remember that night, sitting on the couch, staring at the TV (which was off), and talking to God in my mind. i read my bible until i fell asleep that night; reading accounts of healing in Jesus' ministry, and those who followed Him. the next day i had to go back to work; i needed to save my leave time for the two weeks of recovery from the upcoming surgery to remove the tumor. some time that day i decided to find out as much as i could about what the bible says about healing as was possible in the 6 months i had left; i can tell you that i take my responsibility to know what God has said about sickness and healing very seriously.

again, it is not a sin to be treated by a physician; but the first step when you have a health problem and need help is to check with God about what to do.

 

[coffee4u]

Over four years ago God led me to read a nutrition book by a vegan doctor named Dr. Joel Fuhrman. I started eating whole grains, vegetables and fruits. I lost weight, was healed of kidney stones and stopped taking Flomax prostate medication. At my most recent annual checkup, the doctor told me my prostate gland was no longer enlarged.

That's good. Nothing to do with what I have, diet won't help. I have a rare disorder that is basically a type of birth defect in the brain that I have to take medication for. Without that medication I would have been in a very bad way.
For my other health issues I too use diet and also essential oils.
I consider myself blessed not cursed.

 

[Guojing]

Yes, I've got the fruit that follows is. You, however, are not following it, especially verse 16.

You are instructed to "rightly divide the word of truth". (2 Timothy 2:15)

So don't take promises to Israel, which was the truth in time past, and apply it to the Body of Christ as truth in the but now.

 

[LightLoveHope]

i was raised in a methodist church; when i got my drivers license at 16, i started helping out with some of the work around the church and joined the choir. the choir met every wednesday night, followed by a weekly prayer service. we had a running prayer list of people who needed help; most were elderly and sick, but there were people of all ages at various times and for various reasons - but for the most part the people we prayed for were suffering from poor health. we prayed diligently; we took it seriously; there were about 5 of us that would meet regularly in a church with around 40 people at sunday morning services, and a membership of over a hundred. i had begun to read the bible regularly, and began to notice that much of what we would say when we prayed didn't seem to line up with scripture - for example, Jesus rebuked sickness; we asked God to help in as humble a way as we knew. over time, few recovered.

the specialist physician i went to when i was diagnosed with cancer was a good, caring man; he took his job seriously, and i could tell that it grieved him when he told me that the cancer i had didn't respond to chemo or radiation, and there was no known treatment. i could tell that it grieved him that he couldn't help me. i have no doubt that the vast majority of physicians and nurses are good, moral people who do their best to help their patients.

i remember that night, sitting on the couch, staring at the TV (which was off), and talking to God in my mind. i read my bible until i fell asleep that night; reading accounts of healing in Jesus' ministry, and those who followed Him. the next day i had to go back to work; i needed to save my leave time for the two weeks of recovery from the upcoming surgery to remove the tumor. some time that day i decided to find out as much as i could about what the bible says about healing as was possible in the 6 months i had left; i can tell you that i take my responsibility to know what God has said about sickness and healing very seriously.

again, it is not a sin to be treated by a physician; but the first step when you have a health problem and need help is to check with God about what to do.

"Jesus rebuked sickness" - that is an interesting claim.

Jesus rebuked demons, he healed people of their sickness.
Where I have come across people calling sickness in need of rebuking, they tend to think of sickness as an evil possession or curse, overcoming Gods people and rebelling against Gods will.

Is this your approach, and on what scriptures do you rely for this theology?

Job was afflicted by illness as a test of his loyalty to God, a demonstration of a righteous man. It was his attitude that was being tested not opposing Gods will in his life, which would make the illness a defeat, while healthy living is a victory.

Does God desire that we are ill? No, but He does not stop it. Is being a christian a pass on the normal issues and problems of life or a testimony how Jesus's love makes us overcomers of trials and difficulties?

God bless you

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

(Luk 4:38) And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
(Luk 4:39) And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.

this isn't a debate - Jaedan, the OP, asked for advice; let's focus on his request, and agree to disagree

 

[Sketcher]

Hi, (this is a poorly constructed question)

I have noticed that a tiny minority of Christians (I'm not trying to make a hasty generalization here) don't really trust their doctors. I have heard some stories (and ongoing stories) about people refusing to go to the doctor, trusting that God will heal them of their sickness (in a divine way). Moreover, I have been kinda worried about these people.

I'm no doctor yet (I'm not even a pre-med student yet). However, I just feel a bit worried about this minority group of Christians. But, I don't know if it is right for me to feel this way.


Do Christians consider it a lack of faith (in regards to God) to put trust into Doctors?

A minority of Christians with poor judgment do.

If someone believes so strongly in divine healing that a doctor isn't needed for healing, the doctor can verify the health of the person who has been allegedly healed.

However, most of the time, a doctor is needed. Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) and it is fitting to have a good medical professional's assistance in keeping them healthy and getting them healthy again when something happens.

Either way, it is good to see a good doctor from time to time.

 

[topher694]

You are instructed to "rightly divide the word of truth". (2 Timothy 2:15)

So don't take promises to Israel, which was the truth in time past, and apply it to the Body of Christ as truth in the but now.

What I and others are saying is that YOU are not rightly dividing what you wrote above. What sort of credentials and fruit do you have that anyone should listen to this silliness?

 

[Guojing]

What I and others are saying is that YOU are not rightly dividing what you wrote above. What sort of credentials and fruit do you have that anyone should listen to this silliness?

I have used scripture in my discussions. But you are free to disagree and have your own doctrine regarding those scripture.

Naturally if this is the first time you are hearing this, it will take time for it to sink in. All of us have our own timing, so I understand.

 

[topher694]

I have used scripture in my discussions. But you are free to disagree and have your own doctrine regarding those scripture.

Naturally if this is the first time you are hearing this, it will take time for it to sink in. All of us have our own timing, so I understand.

So, I'm assuming from the non answer you have no credentials. I have no problem understanding as I pastor a church and oversee a Bible school. But you have fun in your denomination of one.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I am sure there are some who fall into this category, but my experience in church, my local church is the opposite.

I am sad to hear that, my experience over 45 years has been quite different.

Seeing God heal isn't happening every day of the week but we have seen three healings in the last 12 months and one from Cancer for which we have posted Hospital records here.

Speaking In Tongues Post #120


And my testimony thread here...
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