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Do 'Catholics' go to Hell?

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Jun 24, 2012.

  1. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    Certain comments I've seen repeatedly seem to indicate once baptized Catholic always Catholic. Maybe in name only. But will that get you to heaven? Many people in other Churches were baptized as well. Does that mean they are always Baptist, etc.?

    Certainly seems along the lines of Calvinism & onced saved always saved.

    Or are Catholic baptisms somehow superior to all other Christian baptisms?

    Given the right formula of course.
     
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  2. christseeker45

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    No and I just explained that in the other thread. As I said technically once one is Catholic they are always Catholic but that does not guarantee Heaven, you can be Catholic and end up room mates with Satan
     
  3. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    What I'm saying is if it does not walk like a duck & quack like a duck...it isn't a duck.

    And to claim otherwise is deluding yourself & others in the process.

    I don't care about paperwork.
     
  4. Memento Mori

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    Once you're baptized, you are Catholic until you die (and if in God's friendship, Catholic forever). Anyone baptized, even a Baptist or a Calvinist, also bears this mark in his soul and can't undo this supernatural character. Our baptized Protestant brethren might even be called "unrealized Catholics" because they are also baptized into the mystical Body of Christ. So yes, once Catholic always a Catholic.

    I would say: it's a duck, but it chooses not to walk like a duck or quack like a duck... which will be really disastrous in the end.
     
  5. Michie

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    It may leave an indelible mark on the soul but if you reject that & the responsibilities that go along with it, it may be worse for you in the end if you never had it to begin with. As Scripture states.

    My point is you cannot claim a label & do something that goes against what that label means & say, yeah, thats Catholic because that person is a Catholic. That is not the case.
     
  6. Memento Mori

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    True. That attitude seems common among cradle Catholics who don't believe the whole picture. Being converts it's hard to understand the cultural mindset. I know people who are very proud of being Catholic, but in the next breath they will tell you they disagree on contraception, abortion, marriage, etc.
     
  7. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    Yep. There you go.
     
  8. christseeker45

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    Maybe how we think, yes. But to the Church they still are Catholic even though we know that they don't act like it. That is why there are a million plus Catholics because once that, whether lived or not your always that. I been told innumerable times this and it is not easy for coverts from Protestants to get our head around because in Protestantism if one didn't act saved then it was presumed that one was not saved.

    It is much more complicated in Catholicism it seems
     
  9. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    It's more complicated than it needs to be.

    The thing is, you can be baptized in any Church & still have that indelible mark on your soul. But people are free to ignore it at any time they choose. There are lots of Church rolls out there but I doubt Catholic or not, many are practicing.

    When it becomes disingenuous is when people claim whatever title yet do the exact opposite of what that title means.

    Yeah, claim you believe in Jesus or were baptized Catholic but at least be honest enough to state that you don't practice or that you reject whatever teachings. It is no wonder people are confused.

    When John called out for those to be baptized he added on the repent part as well.

    Its not get dunked & carry on as usual.

    It does not mean much if all you hold is a title as if it is credential for heaven. Especially if thats all you got.

    I used to be a Brownie. I'm no longer a Brownie. You have to participate to be one. That holds true for just about everything except Catholicism I guess.

    Protestants would call it backslidding if they believed but were not practicing.

    If it was found out that you were acting as if you were in good standing but did the opposite you'd be called a hypocrite & asked to repent.
     
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  10. christseeker45

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    Yes of course to us. But they are officially Catholic unless excommunicated or ask for their names to be removed from the rolls. I know a lady and man who converted from Catholic to Protestant and both are considered Catholic officially (I did ask about this and they would be lapsed Catholics) even though they do not follow Catholicism in any way shape or form nor desire to.

    In fact when a Catholic goes off the rails they are never called non Catholic but lapsed Catholics. I was never saying they are going to gain Heaven because of the label just that it is a label for life good or bad. We call these people CINO - Catholic in name only
     
  11. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    I understand that. But the problem is the words chosen. You can say I was baptised Catholic but no longer practice or whatever. But to say you are Catholic regardless of what you say & do is false imo.

    Not unless Catholic baptism is somehow different from baptisms in other Churches that use the same formula.

    It's the same baptism.

    My beef is telling people they are Catholic no matter what because they were baptised under a Catholic roof is false in a spiritual sense. Catholics have the same baptism as everyone else that is not Catholic but you never hear: Your baptist forever because we baptized you & have you on the rolls. Thats just silly.

    When people hear you are Catholic regardless, it gives the impression of OSAS or a Calvinistic attitude. Which leads to a lot of misconceptions.

    Why not say your baptism leaves an indelible mark on your soul? Why not tell the truth & say that some reject or twist what that means & what the faith teaches?

    I'm not talking about those who stumble. But those that outright reject or twist what the meaning of the label Catholic means.

    As I said, Scripture discusses all this in detail. The way we word things can really give the wrong impression & cause further confusion. And confusion is something the RCC needs like a hole in the head.

    I really feel like there are times people look at these things too materially & fail to look at it in a spiritual sense. Which in the longrun is what matters when it comes to faith.
     
  12. christseeker45

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    I am telling the truth. Like I said it is hard for a convert to grasp it is not the same as OSAS and the mark makes on Catholic. I am not explaining to good it seems but once Catholic one is always Catholic unless a specific set of things happen even if you don't believe in it.
     
  13. MikeK

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    Your opinion is noted, but it is contrary to the opinion of the Church...which, I guess, by your definition makes you no longer Catholic - but the Church still sees you as one of Hers.

    It is, or at least it is claimed to be. Other trinetarian Baptisms are sufficient for the washing away of original sin. They do not make a person a Catholic though.

    Kinda sorta. But not.

    Of course it's silly, Baptists have no apostolic succesion and the whole thing falls like a hourse of cards when you try to trace their worship back to the time of Christ.

    It shouldn't, and regardless, the truth is the truth whether it misleads the ignorant or not.

    Catholics do say that Baptism leaves an indelible mark on the soul. I don;t know of any Catholics who would be hessitant to "say that some reject or twist what that means & what the faith teaches".

    Until reading this thread I had no idea that anyone was confused about this matter. The Church teaches that Catholics can wind up in hell. Heck, we've had at least one Saint who preached that the vast majority of Catholics were going to hell. Just being Catholic does not mean you have a heavenly reward ahead of you. I suppose one of the greatest failings (after the systematic child-rape) of the last 50 years for the Church was the decreased emphasis on hell, and that we're all either destined for it or just a sin away. If you're looking for feel-goodery, the older Christian faiths are not for you.
     
  14. JimR-OCDS

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    Keep in mind that a Catholic, unlike protestants, are Baptised, but also have the laying on of hands by the Bishop at Confirmation.

    The Bishops and priest are successors to the Apostles, not so protestant ministers.

    So, once a Catholic, always a Catholic has to do with the seal of Baptism given at Confirmation.


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  15. gabrielListens

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    Baptized or not, I believe this scripture to hold true for anyone who believes in Jesus as their Lord and savior...

    John 3:16 (Douay-Rheims)
    For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
     
  16. Azureknight 773

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    In my point of view... Yes, some of us can go to Hell if we do not completely confess our since and not repenting from them.
     
  17. benedictaoo

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    Yes and no.

    Redemption is NOT salvation. What any of us is, is redeemed and that can never, ever in a trillion million years be taken from us. We can't give it back and someone else can choose it for you cuz its free, we can not earn it. We get it at literally no cost, for nothing we can be redeemed at no cost because Adam's sin is not our sin.

    so that is what we have at baptism and anyone who has been baptized correctly is redeemed. It does not matter if its "C"atholic or "c"atholic. Luther, born again, baptists, Orthodox... man on the moon. It does not matter. You have been washed clean in Christ blood, incorporated into His death and Resurrection if you have been baptized and there is not a darn thing you can do to undo that.

    You can however forsake it.

    If you were baptized in the Catholic Church Latin Rite then you are a Latin Rite Catholic. You can excommunicate yourself or be excommunicated but it does not erase that you were baptized as a Latin Rite Catholic but you can formally reject being a member of the Church. But that still does not un baptize you. NOTHING can do that... NOTHING.
     
  18. Standing Up

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    So, you think the pedophile priest is still catholic, rather than a wolf in sheep's clothing?

    There's never a possibility that someone just got wet in their baptism? Catholic theology does not allow for that?
     
  19. christseeker45

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    Yes, we are not Protestants. They will always be Catholics, it is some Protestants who judge freely who is a Christian or not we do not.

    Nope that is a Protestant idea, not Catholic. It does not mean they are necessarily saved as Protestant understand it; it just means there is a mark on their soul what they do with that is up to them they can still wind up in Hell.
     
  20. MikeK

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    It isn't an either/or. A Catholic can be a wolf in sheep's clothing. He can dedicate his life to feeding the hungry or he can dedicate his life to commiting evil acts. Woe to the Catholic who chooses the wide gate. To those who much is given (and the Church would certainly call Christ's Truths "much"), much will be expected.
     
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