Do Believers even know their God?

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1. The knowledge of any human (including an atheist) is the knowledge, which has his God.
2. Because God knows, that God exists, then the God is scientifically proven for any theist.
3. Science is quest for knowledge (and not a scientific methods), faith is faithfulness to knowledge.
4. Atheists have the god of apostasy in their hearts, - the atheists came out of Historic Theism: even Isaak Newton is a theist!
 

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1. The knowledge of any human (including an atheist) is the knowledge, which has his God.
2. Because God knows, that God exists, then the God is scientifically proven for any theist.
3. Science is quest for knowledge (and not a scientific methods), faith is faithfulness to knowledge.
4. Atheists have the god of apostasy in their hearts, - the atheists came out of Historic Theism: even Isaak Newton is a theist!

We all have eternity in our minds, no one really expects to die.
That knowledge is what drives atheists to blaspheme.
Think how stupid it is to say a meaningless word when cross etc. Unless that word has a definet meaning.

Science depends on the knowledge that there is a consitent, unchanging, reasoning God. The universe reflects the character of God and science works because God is consitent/unchanging and reasonable.

If evolution was true then everything would only work because of random chance, science would be unreasonable.

Christians know God because God has made himself know through the bible and through his Spirit to believers.
 
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1. The knowledge of any human (including an atheist) is the knowledge, which has his God.
2. Because God knows, that God exists, then the God is scientifically proven for any theist.
3. Science is quest for knowledge (and not a scientific methods), faith is faithfulness to knowledge.
4. Atheists have the god of apostasy in their hearts, - the atheists came out of Historic Theism: even Isaak Newton is a theist!
Your first point is incorrect.

The rest of you post fails for that reason.
 
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We all have eternity in our minds, no one really expects to die.
That knowledge is what drives atheists to blaspheme.
Think how stupid it is to say a meaningless word when cross etc. Unless that word has a definet meaning.

Science depends on the knowledge that there is a consitent, unchanging, reasoning God. The universe reflects the character of God and science works because God is consitent/unchanging and reasonable.

If evolution was true then everything would only work because of random chance, science would be unreasonable.

Christians know God because God has made himself know through the bible and through his Spirit to believers.
Which bit of that post do you expect anyone to believe most?
 
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1. The knowledge of any human (including an atheist) is the knowledge, which has his God.
2. Because God knows, that God exists, then the God is scientifically proven for any theist.
3. Science is quest for knowledge (and not a scientific methods), faith is faithfulness to knowledge.
4. Atheists have the god of apostasy in their hearts, - the atheists came out of Historic Theism: even Isaak Newton is a theist!

You clearly have no concept of how syllogisms work. You saw someone make arguments by numbering premises and you’re just trying to emulate that with your own kooky beliefs. It’s not working the way you think.
 
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Which bit of that post do you expect anyone to believe most?
People believe what they want to believe.

If we all believed what reason demonstrated we would all be Christian.
 
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People believe what they want to believe.

If we all believed what reason demonstrated we would all be Christian.
Reason doesn’t demonstrate what’s true, it proves what necessarily must be true provided x, y, and z are true. Evidence is what demonstrates x, y, and z.
 
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Reason doesn’t demonstrate what’s true, it proves what necessarily must be true provided x, y, and z are true. Evidence is what demonstrates x, y, and z.
Soprry but logic can demonstrate that an idea is correct eg the Kalam argument for God.

Your problem is to demonstrate that immaterial reasoning actual exists and to explain why it exists.
 
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You clearly have no concept of how syllogisms work. You saw someone make arguments by numbering premises and you’re just trying to emulate that with your own kooky beliefs. It’s not working the way you think.
It is how my mind works, and I am not crazy. Take my brain pattern or leave it.
 
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Soprry but logic can demonstrate that an idea is correct eg the Kalam argument for God.

Your problem is to demonstrate that immaterial reasoning actual exists and to explain why it exists.
Eh, I’ll withdraw my nitpick on your word choice, but let’s hear your argument for how logic demonstrates the Christian faith to be correct.
 
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