And can they cast out demons?
I was recently told that many protestants believe they have the power to cast out demons in themselves and others by speaking in tongues.
Must be a useful skill to have.
All my input about this comes from the Catholic Charismatic Renewal not from any Pentecostal church .You're right, I forgot that one. It's been a long time since I attended a Pentecostal church so my memory is a bit fuzzy on some of the specifics.
All my input about this comes from the Catholic Charismatic Renewal not from any Pentecostal church .
Interesting videos already posted but worth repeating......
This video of leaders of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal at a gathering with Pope John Paul II shows them singing (praying) in tongues , just over five and a half minutes into the video .
And Italian Catholics in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal praying in tongues over Pope Francis......
I was in a pentecostal church near ND when that happened. The pastor got so upset that those darn catholics "got the Holy Ghost" that he declared the entire bible a pack of lies and quit the faith.Then, in February, during a gathering at Duquesne University, more people asked Keifer to pray over them. This led to the event at the chapel where they too received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues, as well as many other students who were present in the chapel. Keifer sent the news of this event to the University of Notre Dame, where a similar event later occurred, and the Renewal began to spread.
Do you not believe that people have discernment?They could be uttering anything!
Who was pope in the 1880s? At one of the conferences, Ralph Martin was talking about that, and said that pope had issued a paper to all the cardinals and arch bishops, directing them to pray for a "renewed Pentecost" within the Church. Is it a coincidence that in less than 20 years the Pentecostal movement breaks out?Find me a pope that promotes speaking in tongues pre-1960s (Outside of claiming "St Peter" or the Apostolic era, if one's going to be persnickety). Anyone . . .
And their words on it.
Thanks , all Catholics , as are all Christians , are charismatic , for as Christians we are totally dependent on the Holy Spirit and Its charisms .
I cannot speak for what is termed "The Charismatic Movement" outside of the Catholic Church because I know little of it and have had no experience of it .
All that I say is based on the Catholic Charismatic Renewal .
The Catholic Charismatic Renewal has been accepted and encouraged by all the popes except once since 1967......Pope Paul VI , Pope John Paul II , Pope Benedict and Pope Francis , the exception being Pope John Paul I whose short papacy is the obvious reason we know nothing of his thoughts on the Catholic Charismatic Renewal .
St Paul urges us , " Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
It grieves me that some can treat with disdain the charisms of the Holy Spirit , and can regard these gifts of the Spirit as just some objects of man's invention , to be used at one's whim and discarded as a fad when one's fancy for them has dissipated .
Still to be very wary as the members of the congregation, who are the only ones that can translate a message may be 'in on the act' so to speak. Those speaking a language of no origin could be uttering 'nothing'.
You do realize you're in the Liberal Catholic subforum, right? I doubt you will find many posters here who put a great deal of stock in the "pre-1960s Catholic teaching is better than more recent teachings" line of thinking.The Modern-day "Charismatic Movement" in the Catholic Church has it roots in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; where, so-called "Charismatic Catholics" got involved with Pentecostals from outside of the Church. The birth of the "Charismatic Renewal" has its origins outside of God's Church; hence, that should give pause to one. It's origins are not of the Church of God, whose soul is the Holy Ghost, but rather outside of it. Outside of the Body of Christ. This movement originates, was birthed from, and stems from heresy; ergo, can it really be of God?! Answer: No.
Find me a "Charismatic Catholic" movement or promotion of Speaking-in-Tongues pre-1960s by any orthodox Catholic bishop or Pope. I want a solid, reputable source. If you can do so, I will oblige and accept this as "genuine". Otherwise, this is just a novelty and more brouhaha from the New Religion, the New Order sect; more chaos from Modernism, the synthesis of all heresies.
Eventually, I realised that . . .You do realize you're in the Liberal Catholic subforum, right? I doubt you will find many posters here who put a great deal of stock in the "pre-1960s Catholic teaching is better than more recent teachings" line of thinking.