Do all Fundamentalist believe in a Pre Trib Rapture

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Third, when all are with the Lord in the air - The destruction of the false christ; antichrist

3.] The third fact about the coming of the Lord, is that the antichrist will be destroyed, by the brightness of His coming.

And again, this does not match or harmonize with the Gospel accounts.

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And built a whole "doctrine" around it.

You said:

"3.] The third fact about the coming of the Lord, is that the antichrist will be destroyed, by the brightness of His coming."


I haven't claimed to have built a whole doctrine around two passages of scripture.

I have established three main points that will occur at His coming.


Are you saying the antichrist will not be destroyed at His coming.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of the Lord's coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8


  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming.


Yes or No.


Is the antichrist or lawless one destroyed by the brightness of His coming?




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And again, this does not match or harmonize with the Gospel accounts.

Sorry, try again.

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Please harmonize the Rapture in the Gospel accounts.


The Rapture happens at His coming.
The resurrection happens at His coming.
The destruction of the antichrist happens at His coming.


1.] The resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at the coming of the Lord, before the rapture.
  • And the dead in Christ will rise first. v. 16
2.] Just after the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture will occur at the coming of the Lord, whereby both the living and dead in Christ, will be caught up together to be with the Lord in the air.
  • Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. v.17
3.] The third fact about the coming of the Lord, is that the antichrist will be destroyed, by the brightness of His coming.

  • And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of the Lord's coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8


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Please harmonize the Rapture in the Gospel accounts.


The Rapture happens at His coming.
The resurrection happens at His coming.

Read Mt. 24:30-31; Lk. 21:27-28.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." -Mt. 24:30-31 (KJV)

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." -Lk. 21:27-28 (KJV)

The destruction of the antichrist happens at His coming.

Does not harmonize with the Gospel accounts.

Jesus gave us these words, and then...silence.

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Read Mt. 24:30-31; Lk. 21:27-28.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." -Mt. 24:30-31 (KJV)

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." -Lk. 21:27-28 (KJV)


Where is the rapture mentioned in this scripture?


Does not harmonize with the Gospel accounts.


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Where is the rapture mentioned by Jesus in the Gospels?


Jesus gave us these words, and then...silence.


  • Jesus taught His disciples about His coming and the gathering together of His people.

  • Paul filled in the blanks about the mystery of His coming and the gathering together of His people at the resurrection and rapture.


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

  • the coming of the Lord
  • shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord



The resurrection occurs at His coming.

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27


  • they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds
  • gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.



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Where is the rapture mentioned in this scripture?





Where is the rapture mentioned by Jesus in the Gospels?





  • Jesus taught His disciples about His coming and the gathering together of His people.

  • Paul filled in the blanks about the mystery of His coming and the gathering together of His people at the resurrection and rapture.


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

  • the coming of the Lord
  • shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord



The resurrection occurs at His coming.

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27


  • they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds
  • gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.



JLB

Now I should point out that just like the word "trinity", "rapture" cannot be found either.

But in the Gospel accounts, Jesus sends out his angels to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth.

While I admit its technically not there, neither is it by all rights in the scriptures you mention.

Now if you want to continue to play tit-for-tat.

I'm game.

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Now I should point out that just like the word "trinity", "rapture" cannot be found either.

But in the Gospel accounts, Jesus sends out his angels to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth.

While I admit its technically not there, neither is it by all rights in the scriptures you mention.

Now if you want to continue to play tit-for-tat.

I'm game.

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I just gave you the scriptures for the resurrection and rapture at His coming in both Mark 13, and
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18.

I have also given you the scriptures from 2 Thessalonians 2, where the gathering together as well as the destruction of the antichrist occurs at His coming as well.


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

  • the coming of the Lord
  • shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord


The resurrection occurs at His coming.

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27


  • they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds
  • gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.



The gathering together of the resurrection and rapture, as well as the destruction of the antichrist is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8



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Here again, Mark 13 says nothing about the destruction the antichrist.

In fact, it agrees almost word-for-word with Matthews account. Rather, Matthew agrees almost word-for-word with Mark.

After Jesus sends out his angels to gather the elect...silence. (vs. 37)

Sorry

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Here again, Mark 13 says nothing about the destruction the antichrist.

In fact, it agrees almost word-for-word with Matthews account. Rather, Matthew agrees almost word-for-word with Mark.

After Jesus sends out his angels to gather the elect...silence. (vs. 37)

Sorry

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8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with thebrightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming

The antichrist is destroyed by The brightness of His coming.


Sorry.

I have proved that at His coming the Church is resurrected and raptured as well as the antichrist is destroyed.


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8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with thebrightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming

The antichrist is destroyed by The brightness of His coming.


Sorry.

I have proved that at His coming the Church is resurrected and raptured as well as the antichrist is destroyed.


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Wow!

From the Gospels, events revealed there show you are wrong, and yet you persist.

And even at that, none of what you said or posted has proven the OP or me wrong.

Sorry, try again.

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Wow!

From the Gospels, events revealed there show you are wrong, and yet you persist.

And even at that, none of what you said or posted has proven the OP or me wrong.

Sorry, try again.

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You will have to do better than just state your opinion and deny the scriptural facts of the Bible, of which you keep persisting that Jesus will not destroy the antichrist, even though the scripture is clear and plain.


8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with thebrightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming

The antichrist is destroyed by The brightness of His coming.





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You will have to do better than just state your opinion and deny the scriptural facts of the Bible, of which you keep persisting that Jesus will not destroy the antichrist, even though the scripture is clear and plain.


8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with thebrightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming

The antichrist is destroyed by The brightness of His coming.





JLB

Not once have I said "Jesus wont destroy the antichrist." Not once!

Post it here for us to see.

What I have said all along is that your "proof texts" don't support that notion.

Especially when the Gospel accounts don't say anything about it.

You have taken 2 may 3 "texts" and built a whole doctrine around it, but you have missed other texts.

You take 1 Cor. 15, 1 Thess. 4, 2 Thess 2, and built a whole doctrine around then and skipped other events.

Its not my opinion I'm stating, rather, taking scripture as a whole.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." -Mt. 24:29-31 (KJV)

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven." -Mk. 13:26-27 (KJV)

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." -Lk. 21:27-28 (KJV)

These pretty much agree. After Jesus returns, they say nothing, NOTHING, about the antichrist being destroyed.

Period.

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Not once have I said "Jesus wont destroy the antichrist." Not once!

Post it here for us to see.

Post number 84.


I posted this statement in which you responded


The destruction of the antichrist happens at His coming.


You said -

Does not harmonize with the Gospel accounts.

Jesus gave us these words, and then...silence.

Sorry, try again.



Hopefully, now you see the truth.

Jesus destroys the antichrist at His coming.

Here is the scripture that teaches us this truth.


  • the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming

The same coming by which we will be gathered together unto Him at the resurrection and rapture.


  • concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


This is what Paul wrote in his first letter to the Church.


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18


  • who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep
  • we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds


  • The resurrection and rapture happen at the coming of the Lord.
  • The same coming of the Lord that destroys the antichrist.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8


None of us can hide from the truth.

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.





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"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." -1 Cor. 15:51-54 (KJV)

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." -1 Thess. 4:13-18 (KJV)

Not even these passages support your notion, and do not say Christ will destroy the antichrist when these passages are finally fulfilled.

Sorry.

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Post number 84.


You said -

Does not harmonize with the Gospel accounts.

Jesus gave us these words, and then...silence.

Sorry, try again.

Yes, I did say:

Does not harmonize with the Gospel accounts.

But it does not equate to:

"Jesus wont destroy the antichrist."

You absolutely must provide a post where I specifically said:

Jesus won't destroy the antichrist. Otherwise, that is an untruth.

Bottom line, the three passages from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Paul's two passages, that I have shown, quoted, does not say what you say they say!

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"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." -1 Cor. 15:51-54 (KJV)

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." -1 Thess. 4:13-18 (KJV)

Not even these passages support your notion, and do not say Christ will destroy the antichrist when these passages are finally fulfilled.

Sorry.

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Sure they do.

You must have missed it.

Here let me help you with that.


22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

  • afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ happens at His coming.

The rapture happens at His coming.

The destruction of the antichrist happens at His coming.


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17




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You absolutely must provide a post where I specifically said:

Jesus won't destroy the antichrist. Otherwise, that is an untruth.

Sorry, everyone can see your denial of the plain truth that the scriptures teach.


Now if you say you agree that Jesus will destroy the antichrist at His coming, then indicate it by answering agreed.


Agree, yes or no?


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Sorry, everyone can see your denial of the plain truth that the scriptures teach.


Now if you say you agree that Jesus will destroy the antichrist at His coming, then indicate it by answering agreed.


Agree, yes or no?


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No, because you still haven't answered my question, even though I have shown you where, and provided the scriptures no less, which "coming" you are referring to.

And here again, show me where in 1 Cor. 15:22-23 it states that Christ will destroy the antichrist. (Your contention)

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." -1 Cor. 15:22-23 (KJV)

Show me in these two verses where it says "specifically" that Christ will destroy the antichrist.

I'm not denying anything, just asking for you to show me where it says what think it says. In a general way, all those verses speak of is a resurrection and taking away.

Nothing more.

It does not take a scholar to see that. That is a plain reading.

1 Cor. 15:22-23, 51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-18 say absolutely nothing about the antichrist being destroyed. (My contention)

Nothing.

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No, because you still haven't answered my question, even though I have shown you where, and provided the scriptures no less, which "coming" you are referring to.

And here again, show me where in 1 Cor. 15:22-23 it states that Christ will destroy the antichrist. (Your contention)

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." -1 Cor. 15:22-23 (KJV)

Show me in these two verses where it says "specifically" that Christ will destroy the antichrist.

I'm not denying anything, just asking for you to show me where it says what think it says. In a general way, all those verses speak of is a resurrection and taking away.

I have shown you the scriptures that teach scripture us the resurrection happens at His coming and then the rapture happens at His coming then the antichrist is destroyed by the actual brightness of His coming.



Jesus destroys the antichrist at His coming.


  • the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming


The same coming by which we will be gathered together unto Him at the resurrection and rapture.


  • concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


This is what Paul wrote in his first letter to the Church.


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18


  • who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep
  • we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds


  • The resurrection and rapture happen at the coming of the Lord.
  • The same coming of the Lord that destroys the antichrist.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8


None of us can hide from the truth.

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.





JLB
 
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I have shown you the scriptures that teach scripture us the resurrection happens at His coming and then the rapture happens at His coming then the antichrist is destroyed by the actual brightness of His coming.

No you have not.

You have taken several pieces of scripture, overlooked other sections, and piecemealed a "doctrine" together.

Fact: the three gospel passages I quoted, do not say that. (Jesus destroys the antichrist at His return)

1 Cor. 15:22-23, 51-54 don't say it. (Jesus destroys the antichrist at His return)

1 Thess. 4:13-18 do not say it. (Jesus destroys the antichrist at His return)

Now, do these passages teach that He returns? Yes.

Do they teach a gathering of His "elect"? Yes.

Do they teach a "resurrection"? Yes, and no. (Taking the Gospel passages into consideration)

But, do Mt. 24:30-31, Mk. 13:36-37, Lk. 21:27-28; 1 Cor. 15:22-23, 51-54, 1 Thess. 4:13-18 say Jesus will destroy the antichrist at His coming? No they do not.

Like I said, you have taken a few passages, skipped some, and put together a doctrine that suits your personal theology.

And that is all you have done.

With the exception of Mt. 24:29, none of the verses you have based your assumptions on, comes close to disproving the "theory" of a "pre-trib rapture"!

And even Mt. 24:29 can be disputed.

Does 2 Thess. 2:8 say Jesus will destroy the antichrist? Technically no.

What it does say, however, in the KJV, it is rendered "wicked".

"And then shall that Wicked be revealed," -2 Thess. 2:8 (KJV)

However, "ἄνομος" in the Greek, is a fairly ambiguous term.

"Definition: lawless, without law.

"ἄνομος, ἄνομον (νόμος);

1. destitute of (the Mosaic) law: used of Gentiles, 1 Corinthians 9:21, (without any suggestion of 'iniquity'; just as in Additions to Esther 4:42 [Esther 4:374:17u], where ἄνομοι ἀπερίτμητοι and ἀλλότριοι are used together).
2. departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked; (Vulg.iniquus; (alsoinjustus)): Mark 15:28 (R L Tr brackets); Luke 22:37; Acts 2:23 (so in Greek writings); opposed to ὁ δίκαιος, 1 Timothy 1:9; ὁ ἄνομος (κατ' ἐξοχήν), he in whom all iniquity has as it were fixed its abode, 2 Thessalonians 2:8; ἀνόμοις ἔργοις, unlawful deeds, 2 Peter 2:8; free from law, not subject to law (Vulg.sinelege): μή ὤν ἄνομος θεοῦ (Buttmann, 169 (147)) (Rec. θεῷ), 1 Corinthians 9:21. (Very often in the Sept.) (Synonym: see ἀνομία, at the end.)"

Source

So it could mean anybody "outside the Moasic Law, i.e.: Gentiles, or, anybody who violates the Law, anybody who is lawless, a "transgressor*", wicked, etc.

(Cf. also: *The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, Wesley J. Perschbacher, Hendrickson Publishing Company, Peabody, Mass, 01962, Copyright 1990, ἄνομος", p. 31)

Most take that to mean the "antichrist", so I will not debate that. Only point out that it is a fairly ambiguous term.

So I will say, as far as you are concerned, yes, 2 Thess. 2:8 might say that.

But the other five passages, no sir, they do not.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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