Dispensational division of the 10 tribes in Spiritual Israel

[Gregory Thompson]

This is more of a discussion, (Actually I meant 12 tribes, but meh) but here is the way I view the topic.

Judah is the Catholic Church because it has popes which are basically mirrors of the kings.

Benjamin is the Orthodox church because it also resonates strongly with the passage "and this is why Benjamin is small" it also resonates with the Judges era where the tribe of Benjamin met said disaster.

The other 10 tribes are of the Reformation and post Reformation groups. This is illustrated in the story of Jeroboam and Rehoboam, the crux of the issue was even over the amount of "works" that needed to be done.

I find this understanding helpful in mapping out whereabouts we are today relative to previous biblical patterns, which is helpful if you're "watching for the signs"

God bless.

 

[keras]

God's Plans for His people and the world, are full of parallels. What you say here, is another.

When we Christians gather in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17, then; Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 20:34-38, Psalms 107, +, we will know our tribal affiliation, Revelation 7:1-9, and will live according to the areas assigned in Ezekiel 48.

 

[Francis Drake]

The Declaration of Arbroath, written by the Scottish lords and earls in 1320 to the Pope, pleading for help against the English.
Full Text of the Declaration of Arbroath, 1320


This is just an interesting short extract, but click the link to see the full context.-
".............Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown.

They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous.

Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today.

The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since."

According to this ancient document, as can be seen, the Scots are of Israelite stock and 1200 years after the exodus, migrated across the Mediterranean eventually arriving in Scotland.

 

[Christian Gedge]

It never ceases to amaze me where these nutty doctrines come from. This one sounds like a variation of British Israelism.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

my mistake, wasn't responding to my post.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

God's Plans for His people and the world, are full of parallels. What you say here, is another.

When we Christians gather in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17, then; Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 20:34-38, Psalms 107, +, we will know our tribal affiliation, Revelation 7:1-9, and will live according to the areas assigned in Ezekiel 48.

I find a spiritual Israel fits with the description, that where a person would settle, there their inheritance would be.

It's kind of similar to how people pick their church tradition.

The Holy Land is spiritual, the parables speak of "the land" as our hearts. There may be a physical manifestation in the future since physical allegory tends to be literal spiritual in some biblical contexts.

However, there may also not be a physical manifestation and this is because we didn't understand something simple yet crucial.

Since the theories of the end falls under the Father's domain, we must remain humble since we're probably all incorrect in our assumptions.

 

[keras]

It never ceases to amaze me where these nutty doctrines come from. This one sounds like a variation of British Israelism.

C'mon, CG; Don't dismiss actual historical facts.
Just because the whereabouts of the Israelites is hidden from most and the truth is suppressed; is no reason to say they don't exist.
God knows where they are, Amos 9:8-9 and Jeremiah 31:21 tells us they left waymarks on their migration, which are still seen across Europe.

 

[keras]

I find a spiritual Israel fits with the description, that where a person would settle, there their inheritance would be.

It's kind of similar to how people pick their church tradition.

The Holy Land is spiritual, the parables speak of "the land" as our hearts. There may be a physical manifestation in the future since physical allegory tends to be literal spiritual in some biblical contexts.

However, there may also not be a physical manifestation and this is because we didn't understand something simple yet crucial.

Since the theories of the end falls under the Father's domain, we must remain humble since we're probably all incorrect in our assumptions.

The holy Land is all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Many prophesies plainly state how God's faithful Christian people will occupy it in the end times. Isaiah 35:1-10, + and Romans 9:24-26 tell us that it will be in the very place that ancient Israel was sent into exile, that we Christians will be called Children of the Living God.

 

[Francis Drake]

It never ceases to amaze me where these nutty doctrines come from. This one sounds like a variation of British Israelism.

So where do you think the remnants of the lost northern tribes are?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The holy Land is all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Many prophesies plainly state how God's faithful Christian people will occupy it in the end times. Isaiah 35:1-10, + and Romans 9:24-26 tell us that it will be in the very place that ancient Israel was sent into exile, that we Christians will be called Children of the Living God.

However, when possession is taken, will be in the new heaven and the new earth where the old heaven and the old earth is no more, and there is no more sea.

Also it is written in the prophecies that the former things will neither be remembered or mentioned.

So it's probably not as the think, and also - we probably won't remember this time now when we're in the era of promise.

 

[keras]

However, when possession is taken, will be in the new heaven and the new earth where the old heaven and the old earth is no more, and there is no more sea.

Also it is written in the prophecies that the former things will neither be remembered or mentioned.

So it's probably not as the think, and also - we probably won't remember this time now when we're in the era of promise.

No, it will happen before then.
Many prophesies describe the migration of the Christian peoples to their heritage; the holy land. Psalms 107 makes interesting reading.

Our heritage; the promises of God:
Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ we have been given our share in the heritage, as was decreed in His design …for it was God’s will that we, who were the first to set our hope on Jesus and to praise His glory.
And, in Christ, you Christians also, once you believed and received the Holy Spirit, the promise of the inheritance that will be ours, when God has redeemed all of His own, to His glory and praise.

Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, the Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises made through Jesus.

Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit of God affirms that we are His children and if children, then also the heirs of God and fellow heirs with Jesus, but we must share His suffering if we are to share His glory.

Romans 8:19 The Created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed.

Our greatest hope as born again Christians, is the promise of eternal life. John 3:16,Titus 3:5-7, +

But we also inherit the Land promises, Psalms 37:29, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Ezekiel 34:11-31
It is we Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language, that are the vast multitude seen waving palm branches in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9

We are the ones who have passed thru the great ordeal of the Sixth Seal disaster and have earned the white garments by standing firm in our faith. Revelation 7:14


Note: in Romans 8:19, that God’s true children are not yet made known, Jesus will come with His winnowing fork and sift the wheat from the chaff. Matthew 3:12 Those Christians who stood strong in their faith when He comes in fire, Luke 12:49, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, are the wheat that will be gathered into the granary of the holy Land. The chaff of the ungodly peoples will be as ashes under our feet. Isaiah 66:17, Malachi 4:3, 2 Peter 3:7

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No, it will happen before then.
Many prophesies describe the migration of the Christian peoples to their heritage; the holy land. Psalms 107 makes interesting reading.

Our heritage; the promises of God:
Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ we have been given our share in the heritage, as was decreed in His design …for it was God’s will that we, who were the first to set our hope on Jesus and to praise His glory.
And, in Christ, you Christians also, once you believed and received the Holy Spirit, the promise of the inheritance that will be ours, when God has redeemed all of His own, to His glory and praise.

Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, the Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises made through Jesus.

Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit of God affirms that we are His children and if children, then also the heirs of God and fellow heirs with Jesus, but we must share His suffering if we are to share His glory.

Romans 8:19 The Created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed.

Our greatest hope as born again Christians, is the promise of eternal life. John 3:16,Titus 3:5-7, +

But we also inherit the Land promises, Psalms 37:29, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Ezekiel 34:11-31
It is we Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language, that are the vast multitude seen waving palm branches in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9

We are the ones who have passed thru the great ordeal of the Sixth Seal disaster and have earned the white garments by standing firm in our faith. Revelation 7:14


Note: in Romans 8:19, that God’s true children are not yet made known, Jesus will come with His winnowing fork and sift the wheat from the chaff. Matthew 3:12 Those Christians who stood strong in their faith when He comes in fire, Luke 12:49, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, are the wheat that will be gathered into the granary of the holy Land. The chaff of the ungodly peoples will be as ashes under our feet. Isaiah 66:17, Malachi 4:3, 2 Peter 3:7

I disagree, but understand the flow of the words as you quote them as related to your purpose.

I don't disagree with living out your purpose in Him.

 

[keras]

I disagree, but understand the flow of the words as you quote them as related to your purpose.

I don't disagree with living out your purpose in Him.

God's Purpose, not Keras's.
What is God's Purpose? It is to have a people in His holy Land, who will display His glory, be His witnesses; Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations; Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16

 

[jgr]

So where do you think the remnants of the lost northern tribes are?

In the entire human race.

After more than 3,500 years of genetic diffusion and dispersion, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous throughout humanity. This is established mathematically, and corroborated empirically.

It is acknowledged and applauded by the Jewish community itself.

It renders dispensationalism's racialized apartheid "two peoples of God" fallacy, null and void.

It renders any fallacy attempting to racialize God and His Word, null and void.

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

 

[jgr]

C'mon, CG; Don't dismiss actual historical facts.
Just because the whereabouts of the Israelites is hidden from most and the truth is suppressed; is no reason to say they don't exist.
God knows where they are, Amos 9:8-9 and Jeremiah 31:21 tells us they left waymarks on their migration, which are still seen across Europe.

Would those be the words of a devout British Israelite?

Have any genomic molecules of these "hidden Israelites" ever found their way into the human population at large? If so, they're not "hidden".

The answer, of which you're well aware, is self-evident.

 

[keras]

Would those be the words of a devout British Israelite?

Have any genomic molecules of these "hidden Israelites" ever found their way into the human population at large? If so, they're not "hidden".

The answer, of which you're well aware, is self-evident.

The answer is in the plans and purposes of God. He knows who His people are. Amos 9:9

 

[BABerean2]

The answer is in the plans and purposes of God. He knows who His people are. Amos 9:9

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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[Gregory Thompson]

God's Purpose, not Keras's.
What is God's Purpose? It is to have a people in His holy Land, who will display His glory, be His witnesses; Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations; Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16

Keras is not God, and thus cannot declare God's purpose.

However, God's purpose was implied since Keras is made by God.

 

[Francis Drake]

The ten lost tribes were still identifiable around 100AD

The prominent Jewish historian Josephus notes that while the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, joined by the Levites, were still located in “Asia” (a term that typically included Palestine), “the ten tribes are beyond [the] Euphrates till now [when he wrote, about 100 AD], and are an immense multitude….”3 This indicates that the whereabouts of the northern tribes were known in Josephus’ time.

 

[jgr]

The ten lost tribes were still identifiable around 100AD

The prominent Jewish historian Josephus notes that while the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, joined by the Levites, were still located in “Asia” (a term that typically included Palestine), “the ten tribes are beyond [the] Euphrates till now [when he wrote, about 100 AD], and are an immense multitude….”3 This indicates that the whereabouts of the northern tribes were known in Josephus’ time.

What distinguishing characteristics would identify them?