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Discussing the new socialist manifesto (not a book)

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by hislegacy, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    for the sake of this thread - we will be using the following definitions:

    so·cial·ism:
    : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    Manifesto:
    : a written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives, or views of its issuer

    The latest release of such policies and proposals is the New Green Deal, but it certainly not the only manifesto being supported and proposed by members of the Democratic Party members.

    It seems to start with climate change and then combines with healthcare and jobs.

    Long and short of it, the manifesto is pushing to have the federal government control virtually every avenue of life, from birth, to schooling, from health care to wages, to housing and climate.

    It calls for one of the most complete governmental control over just about everything.

    Here is the question (at least one of them), are you comfortable giving up that much control?
     
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  2. DaisyDay

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    Your link to the "New Green Deal" is to the Miriam-Webster definition of "manifesto". I take it that the url is left over from your previous copy and that the intended copy didn't take properly.

    https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sit....gov/files/Resolution on a Green New Deal.pdf

    No, it isn't. Providing opportunity is not the same as controlling every avenue of life. I didn't see any mention of birth or death, just that access to clean air and water help with forestall the latter.
     
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  3. LoAmmi

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    Here's my discussion:

    No it doesn't.


    and I'm done!
     
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  4. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    The mayor of NYC recently said:

    Brothers and sisters, there’s plenty of money in the world. There’s plenty of money in this city. It’s just in the wrong hands,”
    But whose money is it? and how do you get their money?
     
  5. hislegacy

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  6. GlabrousDory4

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    I know the answer to this one! You become a multimillionaire and DON'T PAY TAXES! Meanwhile you get flown around the world on a luxury airliner at tax payers' expense!

    Or, after you become a zillionaire, get a cushy government job so you can arrange vacation travel (again, at tax payer expense) for you and your wife to see the Solar Eclipse and write it off as "work travel"!

    Man, this is easy!

    How do you get other people's money? BE INCREDIBLY WEALTHY!
     
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  7. DaisyDay

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    There are four other threads on the New Green Deal on the first page of this forum alone, one of them yours. At what point does it become redundant spam?
     
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  8. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    We can do better.

    I want the whole first page to be nothing but AOC all the way down!

    You down with AOC? Yeah you know me!
     
  9. hislegacy

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    Right..... about..... here:

    Then I posted the question from the quote from the mayor of New York

    And more to come....
     
  10. GoldenBoy89

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    Here is the answer: Yes.
     
  11. Speedwell

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    If you could pick one provision from that resolution which concerns you the most, exemplifies the kind of control you mean, or is typical of it,

    It would help me understand what you mean by "control." Mostly, the resolution appears to be about the government investing in or subsidizing selected infrastructure projects. Is that what you mean by "control?"
     
  12. hislegacy

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    Sure, let's start with the Mayor of New York's statement on the city having enough money, just in the wrong hands.
     
  13. Speedwell

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    Ah, threats of forced wealth distribution by the government? That's what happens now. It's just a question of who it gets "distributed" to.
     
  14. GlabrousDory4

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    AGREED! AOC is the biggest threat to DEMOCRACY and, dare I say, WESTERN CIVILIZATION that has EVER been detected by the Right!

    We must watch her EVERY SINGLE MOVE AND UTTERANCE! Let us track not just her policies but her clothing choices!

    We CANNOT OVERSTATE THE TREAT!

    This Ocasio-Cortez Level 5!
     
  15. LoAmmi

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    [​IMG]
     
  16. Albion

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    OK, I agree that some socialistic concepts have been adopted over the years, but we are now seeing leaders in one of the two major political parties committed, openly, to the idea of Socialism. This does not mean that every person who votes for them is a Socialist or even knows what Socialism is (absolutely not that), but things are moving swiftly in that direction and it has been observed by many commentators that the senior figures in the party are afraid to oppose these naive activists or even criticize Antifa, for instance, lest that disaffect the millennials who have supported the party in recent years and see a lot of this as their generation's cause -- free everything.
     
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  17. cow451

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    Who wrote the Army Field Manual. The armed forces are as socialist as it can get.
     
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  18. cow451

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    You expect me to read all that?
     
  19. Ringo84

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    The fact that the GND is now being couched in overexcited terms like "manifesto" tells me that some people must be running scared of AOC and the fact that people generally seem to like what's in the New Deal. It's not perfect but it's 100% better than what the GOP has proposed for protecting the environment (which is nothing).
    Ringo
     
  20. hislegacy

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    Elizabeth Warren used to socialist dog whistle in her speech announcing her running for president:

    to issue a call to action against wealthy power brokers who "have been waging class warfare against hardworking people for decades."​

    Class warfare and racism is their central theme. It's interesting to note where you find one, you find all three most of the time:

    Class warfare
    Racism
    Climate change.
     
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