Disclosure of the reality of UFO's

[JacksBratt]

Concerning point #3, were they referring to a particular instance? I'm sure there are times when something has to be photo-shopped. Conspiracy Debunked: NASA Photoshops Images for Good Reason

Well, that may be true. Can you show me one that is posted by, the only people who could do this, NASA, that claims that it is a real photo.

From what I have heard, they have no way of doing it.

I would be interested in seeing the picture and the disclosure that it is in fact a real image.

We are so used to seeing these types of images that we have forgotton:
1/ who took them or?

2/ how were they taken?

 

[Aldebaran]

Well, that may be true. Can you show me one that is posted by, the only people who could do this, NASA, that claims that it is a real photo.

From what I have heard, they have no way of doing it.

I would be interested in seeing the picture and the disclosure that it is in fact a real image.

We are so used to seeing these types of images that we have forgotton:
1/ who took them or?

2/ how were they taken?

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Those 4 pictures you posted are artist renditions--not photographs.

 

[JacksBratt]

The logical conclusion to all this is that there is no such thing as an astronaut, since the reasoning is that we aren't launching anyone into space. As you said, they might be just going out over the ocean. Uh huh. Then what? Don't you think they have to land somewhere? Why doesn't anyone see that happen?

Because it is way out in the ocean.

Remember, the two large boosters are jettisoned... no matter what is true. And, they can just land the space shuttle, the only part that is to be returned, on a carrier or obscure island. That is not the hard part. In fact the ones they launch could be nothing but props. Empty shells like in the movies.

The hard part is faking all the ISS stuff. This must be difficult as they really do it badly.

Check out this farce:

and this:

Maybe Elon Musk has so much money to throw away that he's doing all these launches just to keep alive some conspiracy about the nature of the planet/universe.

Maybe Elon didn't realize it until he was in too deep.

 

[JacksBratt]

Those 4 pictures you posted are artist renditions--not photographs.

Exactly.

 

[Aldebaran]

Exactly.

They were never put out intended to be seen as actual photos that were taken of a spacecraft in orbit of another planet. Artists can draw a picture of something to convey an idea. You're trying to make it look like it's some kind of deception. There's a difference.

 

[Aldebaran]

Because it is way out in the ocean.

Remember, the two large boosters are jettisoned... no matter what is true. And, they can just land the space shuttle, the only part that is to be returned, on a carrier or obscure island. That is not the hard part. In fact the ones they launch could be nothing but props. Empty shells like in the movies.

The hard part is faking all the ISS stuff. This must be difficult as they really do it badly.

These assumptions you're making about the space shuttle are just that--assumptions. You don't believe the space shuttle actual launches into space, but you want to believe that it can fly out over the ocean in a way that escapes everyone's notice, and manages to land on an aircraft carrier (fighter pilots or anyone in the military will tell you how hard it is to land a fighter on a carrier. But the space shuttle???) or a small island, and then of course has to be carried all the way back to land without being noticed. Sounds like a lot of trouble to be going through all these decades just to make us believe the world is round, and aliens are coming someday. It would have made more sense to stage an alien invasion many, many years ago rather than carry on such a deception for all these decades.

Maybe Elon didn't realize it until he was in too deep.

Sure! Can you explain then why he continues to spend so much money if all those launches to the space station are just pretend? Where are those supplies going? Where are the satellites going? The guy's company is only going to make money if he's actually accomplishing something productive.

 

[JacksBratt]

These assumptions you're making about the space shuttle are just that--assumptions. You don't believe the space shuttle actual launches into space, but you want to believe that it can fly out over the ocean in a way that escapes everyone's notice, and manages to land on an aircraft carrier (fighter pilots or anyone in the military will tell you how hard it is to land a fighter on a carrier. But the space shuttle???) or a small island, and then of course has to be carried all the way back to land without being noticed. Sounds like a lot of trouble to be going through all these decades just to make us believe the world is round, and aliens are coming someday. It would have made more sense to stage an alien invasion many, many years ago rather than carry on such a deception for all these decades.

Did you ever hear of what happened when the radio aired a fictional show about an alien invasion. It wasn't as bad as the media portrayed it, but it was hysteria.

Satan needed many decades of deception and gradual implementation of the idea of aliens coming here from other planets. Now he has us all acclimated to the idea.

Tell me, if we ever did get technology that allowed us to travel light years away.... when we got there, would we wait around for 50 or 60 years?

I doubt it.... we would go there and make contact. Right away.

This whole idea of other civilizations observing us for decades... really? They would have written us off long ago and went to find some other places.

Sure! Can you explain then why he continues to spend so much money if all those launches to the space station are just pretend? Where are those supplies going? Where are the satellites going? The guy's company is only going to make money if he's actually accomplishing something productive.

Hmmmm, what would I do if I was getting millions of dollars of taxpayer money every month.... Hmmmmm.

The other companies, other than NASA are all in it for the same reason... money.

Would you dig a hole one week and fill it in the next.... if you were getting 100 dollars an hour to do it and all you had to do is keep quiet about what you were doing?

Are you serious. They have this down to an art. You put a few million$$ into a Rocket now and then.... the rest goes to other pockets..

Seriously, NASA's budget for next year is 19.1 billion dollars.

How much of that would you need to send some fire works up in the air in order to keep the sheep wandering around in the hills of naivety.

 

[TestifyToTruth]

Good thread. It is time to wake up.

The word for “heaven” and heavens” in the Scriptures is in Greek and Hebrew the same word as for sky. It could even be translated more properly as “space”.

I still believe in inter dimensional concept of heaven, but it is important to note scripturally that much of what was called angels, visits from heaven, demons could be better translated as extraterrestrials from the sky/space. Other cultures, ancient writings and religions are full of these accounts as well.

If you put aside some doctrinal indoctrination (that has origins in one planet flat earth type cosmology) - and delve into Ufology. You find a narrative of bad ETs and good ETS. Of “powers and principalities” with dominion over this planet - of ETs who give power to a ruling human elite via satanic rituals etc. Arrayed against them is the Gospel that Jesus proclaimed plus legions of good ETs and the inter dimensional angels.

The cosmos is bigger, more complex and more interesting than biblical writers 2,000 years ago could know. We now have NASA and international astronomers telling us there are billions of inhabitable earth like planets in the Milky Way galaxy alone. That was not known 2,000 years ago.

So time for the churches to be open minded and updated. Also wake up - there’s a lot of evidence we are in the early stages of the Apocalypse (the unveiling). The ufologists are more aware than many Christians who are missing it.

eg check out ECETI Ranch on YouTube, the Disclosure Project, Sphere Being Alliance, SecureTeam10, Citizens Hearing on Disclosure, Earth Files etc etc

100s of military testimonies from NATO and USSR/Russia veterans that flying saucers/ glowing spacecraft/UFOs doing unbelievable manoeuvres repeatedly monitor and turn off nuclear weapons. These testimonies are not at all easy to discount. Someone is looking after us until humanity gets its act together and is liberated from dark forces in league with the dark deep state.

He may well be coming on the clouds of heaven/sky/space with his legions in their motherships. Don’t discount this interpretation of the New Earth.

 

[Aldebaran]

Did you ever hear of what happened when the radio aired a fictional show about an alien invasion. It wasn't as bad as the media portrayed it, but it was hysteria.

Satan needed many decades of deception and gradual implementation of the idea of aliens coming here from other planets. Now he has us all acclimated to the idea.

Tell me, if we ever did get technology that allowed us to travel light years away.... when we got there, would we wait around for 50 or 60 years?

I doubt it.... we would go there and make contact. Right away.

This whole idea of other civilizations observing us for decades... really? They would have written us off long ago and went to find some other places.

Not necessarily. Watch Star Trek sometime and learn the Prime Directive.

Hmmmm, what would I do if I was getting millions of dollars of taxpayer money every month.... Hmmmmm.

The other companies, other than NASA are all in it for the same reason... money.

Would you dig a hole one week and fill it in the next.... if you were getting 100 dollars an hour to do it and all you had to do is keep quiet about what you were doing?

Are you serious. They have this down to an art. You put a few million$$ into a Rocket now and then.... the rest goes to other pockets..

Seriously, NASA's budget for next year is 19.1 billion dollars.

How much of that would you need to send some fire works up in the air in order to keep the sheep wandering around in the hills of naivety.

The things you're writing is based on the idea that everyone is in on some big conspiracy. It borders on paranoia and is very unhealthy. These ideas you're bringing up are just assumptions that you're not providing evidence for. Reality just doesn't support it.

 

[JacksBratt]

They were never put out intended to be seen as actual photos that were taken of a spacecraft in orbit of another planet. Artists can draw a picture of something to convey an idea. You're trying to make it look like it's some kind of deception. There's a difference.

When an "artists impression" are difficult, if not impossible, to determine from a real photograph.... we have a problem.

I cannot remember where I heard it but a judge of a court system went on record to state that "now, with the technology of digital photography, it is very possible that a photograph will never more be allowed as evidence in a court of law".

So, how do we tell a fake from the real thing?

 

[JacksBratt]

Not necessarily. Watch Star Trek sometime and learn the Prime Directive.

Firstly, good luck getting any space program to have enough intelligence to know what is best for some civilization light years away. They cannot even get it right here.

Secondly. If NASA ever got enough money together, and if it was remotely possible, to travel even 10 light years away.... if they did find a civilization... they are making contact and......immediately.

They are not going to poke around in the atmosphere and then come home, go back.. poke around some more... go back home, go back, go back home...spending resources, time, money and human lives...gradually making themselves more visible... Seriously.... they are "boots on the ground" the very first time they get there.

Why would some super technologically advance beings come here for 50 or 60 years, and just buzz around in our atmosphere....

What do you think that would do to your fictional tv show's "prime directive" idea?

The things you're writing is based on the idea that everyone is in on some big conspiracy. It borders on paranoia and is very unhealthy. These ideas you're bringing up are just assumptions that you're not providing evidence for. Reality just doesn't support it.

Oh ya... stock answer version 55.00.10.2..... insult the person by not outright calling them paranoid or a conspiracy theorist but hinting at it.

Look, there is a way to keep the total truth away from all the minions. In this way everyone does their task as part of the larger task. None is aware of the whole package.

This is called compartmentalization. IF you don't think that this is going on today.. then you are naive.

In matters concerning information security, whether public or private sector, compartmentalization is the limiting of access to information to persons or other entities who need to know it in order to perform certain tasks.


The concept originated in the handling of classified information in military and intelligence applications, though it dates back to antiquity, and was used to successfully keep the secret of Greek fire.[1]


The basis for compartmentalization is the idea that, if fewer people know the details of a mission or task, the risk or likelihood that such information will be compromised or fall into the hands of the opposition is decreased. Hence, varying levels of clearance within organizations exist. Yet, even if someone has the highest clearance, certain "compartmentalized" information, identified by codewords referring to particular types of secret information, may still be restricted to certain operators, even with a lower overall security clearance. Information marked this way is said to be codeword–classified. One famous example of this was the Ultra secret, where documents were marked "Top Secret Ultra": "Top Secret" marked its security level, and the "Ultra" keyword further restricted its readership to only those cleared to read "Ultra" documents.[2]


Compartmentalization is now also used in commercial security engineering as a technique to protect information such as medical records.

 

[Aldebaran]

When an "artists impression" are difficult, if not impossible, to determine from a real photograph.... we have a problem.

Should artists try to be not as good as they have been? For one thing, an artists rendition of a probe orbiting a distant planet has never been claimed to be an actual photo. Not to mention that it's never been claimed that there were 2 spacecraft launched--one to study the planet, and one to photograph the probe. If those claims were ever made, then it could be claimed that those artist impressions were actual photos.

I cannot remember where I heard it but a judge of a court system went on record to state that "now, with the technology of digital photography, it is very possible that a photograph will never more be allowed as evidence in a court of law".

So, how do we tell a fake from the real thing?

Photos that weren't digital have been taken of things that you're questioning. So even without digital photography, your doubts would still persist.

 

[Aldebaran]

Firstly, good luck getting any space program to have enough intelligence to know what is best for some civilization light years away. They cannot even get it right here.

Secondly. If NASA ever got enough money together, and if it was remotely possible, to travel even 10 light years away.... if they did find a civilization... they are making contact and......immediately.

They are not going to poke around in the atmosphere and then come home, go back.. poke around some more... go back home, go back, go back home...spending resources, time, money and human lives...gradually making themselves more visible... Seriously.... they are "boots on the ground" the very first time they get there.

Why would some super technologically advance beings come here for 50 or 60 years, and just buzz around in our atmosphere....

What do you think that would do to your fictional tv show's "prime directive" idea?

You're losing site of the point that was being discussed. I wasn't even claiming that aliens are here or that we've sent manned missions to some other planet and made contact with aliens there.

Oh ya... stock answer version 55.00.10.2..... insult the person by not outright calling them paranoid or a conspiracy theorist but hinting at it.

Look, there is a way to keep the total truth away from all the minions. In this way everyone does their task as part of the larger task. None is aware of the whole package.

This is called compartmentalization. IF you don't think that this is going on today.. then you are naive.

If you want to take my answer about your reasoning and then apply it to yourself, that's fine. I certainly have no intention of adopting it.
It's fine to question things, but don't just assume that everything is just a big lie and that everyone is trying to keep the truth about even the most basic things from you. Believe it or not, some things in life are actually the way they seem, and are not a symptom of a cover-up.

 

[JacksBratt]

You're losing site of the point that was being discussed. I wasn't even claiming that aliens are here or that we've sent manned missions to some other planet and made contact with aliens there.



If you want to take my answer about your reasoning and then apply it to yourself, that's fine. I certainly have no intention of adopting it.
It's fine to question things, but don't just assume that everything is just a big lie and that everyone is trying to keep the truth about even the most basic things from you. Believe it or not, some things in life are actually the way they seem, and are not a symptom of a cover-up.

I agree, some things, actually most things, are the way they seem. It's just that many things are not.

We must ask questions of everything.

 

[JacksBratt]

Should artists try to be not as good as they have been? For one thing, an artists rendition of a probe orbiting a distant planet has never been claimed to be an actual photo. Not to mention that it's never been claimed that there were 2 spacecraft launched--one to study the planet, and one to photograph the probe. If those claims were ever made, then it could be claimed that those artist impressions were actual photos.

I'm not saying that artists should not be as good as they can. What I'm saying is that with the technology of today, it is easy to present an image as truth when it is a fabrication. I'm saying that, today, we cannot differentiate from the truth and fake images.

Photos that weren't digital have been taken of things that you're questioning. So even without digital photography, your doubts would still persist.

You are right. There are non digital images of these things. Experts have taken these images and shown them to be fabricating a lie.

 

[Aldebaran]

I'm not saying that artists should not be as good as they can. What I'm saying is that with the technology of today, it is easy to present an image as truth when it is a fabrication. I'm saying that, today, we cannot differentiate from the truth and fake images.

It may very well be. However, the nature of our world has been heavily documented by more people than we can count, from many different areas of science, and all over the world. Do you think it's reasonable to assume that they are all agreeing to work together to keep some sort of deception alive? Sure, there can be conspiracies within relatively small groups to cover up something, but when we're talking about something on a global scale, that number of people would have to be in the millions, and everyone else would have to be kept in the dark about it by pretty much keeping them confined. That's hardly the case.

You are right. There are non digital images of these things. Experts have taken these images and shown them to be fabricating a lie.

These "experts" don't always know what they're talking about, and are often out seeking attention for themselves. Alex Jones is one that comes to mind.

 

[JacksBratt]

It may very well be. However, the nature of our world has been heavily documented by more people than we can count, from many different areas of science, and all over the world. Do you think it's reasonable to assume that they are all agreeing to work together to keep some sort of deception alive? Sure, there can be conspiracies within relatively small groups to cover up something, but when we're talking about something on a global scale, that number of people would have to be in the millions, and everyone else would have to be kept in the dark about it by pretty much keeping them confined. That's hardly the case.

Actually, it is not millions. Although, that is what you would think. When you compartmentalize and have different levels of security.. it's not as difficult as they would like you to believe....

Anyway... if anyone went out to the media and told their story... they are just discredited and called "tinfoil" hatters. There are lots of sites where people have disclosed such things. Society has been programmed to tune them out as "conspiracy theorists" even though these are people who actually know and saw things.

Case in point.. this pilot that tells his story.... he is presented, even on this thread, as making in up.

These "experts" don't always know what they're talking about, and are often out seeking attention for themselves. Alex Jones is one that comes to mind.

LOL, Alex Jones, ya gotta love that guy. Remember, as off the wall as this guy seems...not everything he says is garbage...

However, having said that, there are guys like Rob Skiba, L.A. Marzulli, Steve Quayle, Brien Foerster and others who are legitimate authors, researchers and speakers. They need to have legitimate research in order to be doing the things they are doing.

They are sought after speakers and presenters and have authored many well written books.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Area 51 is a top secret testing ground. They do not care about conspiracy theories as long as they do not leak any top secret information about the projects they are working on. When I was younger I was out hitch hiking across the country and I got a ride from someone going to an isolated military base. He dropped me off before he entered the base so I could get my next ride. It was no time at all before the military police showed up asking me a lot of question about what I was doing there. They escorted me to the other side of the base to get a ride there. They gave me a warning to stay off of military ground because I did not have a clearance to be there.

 

[Aldebaran]

LOL, Alex Jones, ya gotta love that guy. Remember, as off the wall as this guy seems...not everything he says is garbage...

How much garbage does a person have to put out before they discredit themselves as a viable source of information?

 

[JacksBratt]

How much garbage does a person have to put out before they discredit themselves as a viable source of information?

I would never consider him to be a"viable source" of information. However, if he is talking about it, and others, that I have given as examples, are also stating the same things... I would not toss it out.

Funny that you would use his name when discussing people that talk about things that mainstream media won't touch with a ten foot pole. Funny, due to the fact that you are using a name that is known to be a controversial source and not mentioning any of the people who are giving solid arguments and details.

This seems like you are lumping all the reputable people in with a questionable source.

They are not all like Alex Jones. Even if you paint them all that way.