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dinosaurs and the bible

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by jjoel, Mar 18, 2003.

  1. jjoel

    jjoel Part of the Family! :D

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    this topic is for a friend so she'll be checking this in a lil while.

     

    i need to know if the bible talks about dinosaurs.  also anything else that would argue AGAINST evolution and for creation (scientifically or biblically).  thank you for your help!

     

    Jeremy
     
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  2. Quath

    Quath Senior Member

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    The flood was suppose to kill the dinosaurs. Otherwise I think it happened just like in the Flintstones. ;)

    Scott (Quath)
     
  3. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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    I believe the bible talks about lizards but never makes any specific references to dinosaurs. The lizards are mentioned after the flood, and yet, as Quath mentioned, many YEC believe the flood killed the dinosaurs. So the lizards mentioned probably werent dinosaurs based on even creationist views.

    The only other "evidence" that dinosaurs lived with man is a dinosaur footprint and a mans foot print found together in texas. This has been proved to be a fraud long ago and even AIG (a creationist website) considers it a fraud.
     
  4. Memory's Flame

    Memory's Flame Smile <img src="http://www3.christianforums.com/im

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    I don't think there is any reference to dinosaurs anywhere in the bible... unfortunatly as I nkow most christian views would be against dinosaurs existing... although my pastor once said that the 6th day there were dinosaurs and they were extinct by the end of the 6th day ... because days were not the typical 24 hours that we think of them
     
  5. Barbara D

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    Hi! I'm new on Christian Forum...I don't know yet how to find out who I'm writing to, so please bear with me. The Bible does refer to giant beasts in the book of Job; specifically, the land beast called "Behemoth" Job 40:15-18 along with a physical description much like a brontosaurus; and "Leviathan" the sea beast in Job 41:1-10. Psalms also mentions Leviathan, Ps.74-14. Hope this helps. Blessings!!
     
  6. Barbara D

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    Hi! again. I'm the one who sent the last message referencing Job and Psalms. I forgot to sign my name. Barbara D (I'm learning my way around still). Blessings!

    Barbara D
     
  7. Bruno

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    "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
    Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
    He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
    His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
    He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him."

    (Job 40:15-19)


    Job is the oldest known book in the Holy Bible. It is estimated to be written somewhere around 2000-1800 B.C. It clearly describes the Diplodocus dinosaur.
     
  8. Eddie

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    Sounds like an elephant to me.

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  9. Bruno

    Bruno happy puppy

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    You think an elephant's tail is like a cedar?? Do you know what a cedar is?
     
  10. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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    It doesnt "clearly" describe any animal.

    To think thats a clear description is to put your own thoughts into it.
     
  11. ardipithecus

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    I guess that you don't know that tail is an ancient euphemism for a certain male sexual organ.&nbsp; I am not sure if we are allowed to say it here, but it should be obvious it is the one that starts with a 'p'.

    In case you think that evolutionists just made it up...

    John Gill (1697-1771) had to write about it here.

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  12. Late_Cretaceous

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    Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

    &nbsp;:(&nbsp; With diplodocus' pencil shaped peg like teeth it would have been hard for it to eat grass.&nbsp; Elephants and Hippos do eat grass however,

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    Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

    &nbsp;:eek:&nbsp; Wow, a navel on an egg laying creature.&nbsp; Sorry, navels are found only on mammals.&nbsp; Elephants and hippos are mammals and have navels.


    He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

    &nbsp;:confused:&nbsp; I have never seen a cedar move, except for its branches blowing in the wind.&nbsp; Hey they look sort of like the tail on an elephant or a hippo.


    His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him."


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    The creature is clearly either an elephant or a hippo
     
  13. Zadok001

    Zadok001 Gli alberi hanno orecchie, occhi e denti.

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    Bruno:

    There's nothing 'clear' about it. It describes a something.

    jjoel:

    There are a lot of creationist perspectives on dinosaurs and how they fit into the Biblical literalist interpretations. Among others:

    1. Dinosaur bones are a test of our faith in God. They are placed here to make us question our faith. (This is a pretty silly argument, but it does get used. By this reasoning, we could easily argue that the Bible was placed here to make us question our faith in Vishnu.)

    2. Dinosaurs were created during one of the 1000-year 'days' in Genesis, and went extinct during the creation 'week.'

    3. They all died in the flood.

    4. They went extinct sometime in the late 1200s AD, hence the mythos of Dragons.

    5. They went extinct before the birth of Christ.

    6. They never went extinct, and some species are still around today, hidden in the jungles.

    Almost all of these theories rely on denying either the age or the veracity of fossil findings. Some creationists think the majority of fossils are forgeries. (This requires a rather absurd anti-Christian conspiracy theory to go with it, but that doesn't seem to stop anyone.)

    To conclude: You can run apologetics for the dinosaurs in hundreds of different ways, depending on how you interpret your Bible. None of those methods are perfect, since no matter what you do, you have to deny scientific data.
     
  14. Mihaela

    Mihaela Lookup Designer& Musician

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    Well, have you guys heard of Dr. Kent Hovind?
     
  15. notto

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    What do you make of Job 41?

    19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. 20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. 21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. 22

    Does this clearly describe a fire breathing dinosaur?
     
  16. notto

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  17. jlmizejr76

    jlmizejr76 Yahshua is Messiah

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    My thoughts are... dinosaurs did actually exist, and maybe still do.&nbsp; Before the flood the living conditions were better,&nbsp; and every creature was bigger.&nbsp; I have visited Dinosaur Valley in Glenrose, Texas a few times and they have a creation evidence center there that explains this matter very well.&nbsp; The bible does actually talk about giants,&nbsp; so maybe these giants were actually dinosaurs.&nbsp; And if you really take a look at a dinosaur it is nothing but an over grown reptile,&nbsp; or bird.&nbsp; I believe science has (maybe) went a little to far with there so called discoveries.&nbsp; My 2 cents

    Johnnie
     
  18. Frumious Bandersnatch

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    Good point! I'll remember that one.

    I always figured that behemoth was one of those put together monsters like a manticore. Maybe the body of an elephant, the tail of a crocidile and the head of a bull or something like that.&nbsp; Maybe a bit like my late lamented friend the jabberwock. Drat that beamish boy!

    BTW I thought everyone knew what happed to the dinosaurs. There were three arks, Noah's that landed on Ararat, another that took the marsupials and monotremes to Australia and one with all the dinosaurs that sank. ;)

    The Frumious Bandersnatch
     
  19. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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  20. Tinman

    Tinman New Member

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    "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
    Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
    He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
    His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
    He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him."

    (Job 40:15-19)


    Sounds like a Balrog although I don't think Balrogs eat grass. Could be an Oliphaunt.

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