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Difficulties in the BLM movement leadership

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by hislegacy, Jul 17, 2021.

  1. rturner76

    rturner76 The silent majority needs to wake up Supporter

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    Yeah, somebody monetized the moniker, they don't speak for all people that believe that black lives matter though. Just the people in that group of followers. There's a website, not a nationally organized political party. Looks like they are more interested in making money than making political changes.
     
  2. Hammster

    Hammster Our weapons are Word, Water, Bread, Wine. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    The founders of the movement monetized it.
     
  3. rturner76

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    It didn't start as an organization, it started as a statement on a picket sign. Some people jumped on it and monetized it, so people are selling t-shirts. What are you actually afraid of. That "BLM" is going to overthrow the government? Or do something like rush the capital building and kill a cop?
     
  4. Hammster

    Hammster Our weapons are Word, Water, Bread, Wine. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    No, I’m afraid that their Marxist ideologies will influence the uneducated. It seems to be working since they are so popular and even the slightest criticisms are defended tooth and nail by their adherents.
     
  5. rturner76

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    It's only popular in social media and places like this. they make no real impact other than making white men angry. It started as a hashtag after Trayvon Martin. Someone jumped on it and monetized the hashtag, now they make money on it. I think the "official" website is more into creating followers than change. Not real followers but social media followers. The more followers the more money comes in. Just like any other corporation.
     
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  6. Oneiric1975

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    ...in theory. Practice is a bit harder here in the US.
     
  7. rturner76

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    So many people can't see or can't care about the racism going on right under their noses.
     
  8. DaisyDay

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    Yeah, if these allegations are true (no conviction as of yet), then he would be an opportunistic grifter who ripped off actual BLM sympathists.

    This seems premature as there is only an ongoing investigation - no arrest, no conviction and, if Tay Anderson is correct, no evidence presented other than a hacked website.

    At last, an actual BLM leader who is being charged for what happened during a protest she led. The report you chose is old, there have been updates since. One of the charges, that the protesters (not her personally) broke the rear window of a car, doesn't mention that the car hit two of the protesters on the highway (blocked for 40 minutes) and was driving away with one of the protesters still on the hood of the car when the others broke the window.

    https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/article249287800.html


    Again member, not leader, and this article is five years old (2016). I can't find whether or not he was convicted or plea bargained.
    EBuzz - Where Is He Now (2020 UPDATE)
    However, it is unclear as to whether or not Charles Wade was convicted or sentenced. Maryland court records reveal that the case was closed in 2016. The exact details, however, did not surface the media.

    Once again, not a leader. His claim is that he was there as a documentarian may be valid as he did provide video evidence as seen on tv.

    Now while you are correct that this was published on MSN.com, it was republished in its entirety from the original site, as prominently displayed: © Provided by Washington Examiner - which is not a liberal site at all. The author of the piece, Quin Hillyer, is a senior commentary writer and editor for the Washington Examiner.
    It's ironic that title of the piece contrasts so sharply with its being on the liberal news site, MSN.com. ^_^

    Even more interesting when you follow up.
     
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  9. Hammster

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    Not at all.
     
  10. Hammster

    Hammster Our weapons are Word, Water, Bread, Wine. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I agree. I see some of the greatest examples of racism from the BLM movement and CRT.
     
  11. Oneiric1975

    Oneiric1975 Well-Known Member

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    It is an ideal. The numbers, however, don't support the ideal. In America people of color have a harder time of it.

    But that's only what the DATA says. I'm sure your intense wishes say otherwise.
     
  12. Oneiric1975

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    Can I ask how BLM and CRT have harmed you?

    Are they are reminder that we are all fallen and fail to achieve the loftiest of our ideals?

    Is it a reminder of our sins?
     
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  14. Oneiric1975

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    That's you? Wow! Nice video. I can understand that your personal experience as you shared in your video must be very strong for you. Is that how most of your friends and family feel as well? How about the remainder of your fellow people of color?

    I'm sad if you have had bad experiences with diversity equity and inclusion, or that you are tired of hearing about the history of racism in America. But do keep in mind that there are many who are not like you and who have ignored all the learnings America has had over its history. Some people still do not like you because of the color of your skin. It's a reality in other parts of America.

    I wish you the best and please keep putting out your videos to share your perspective. If you read more in the area of race you will see that most writers agree that race is a made-up construct, but they also admit that race has had a real-world impact on real people.

    Again, keep up your good work and keep making these videos. But do try to remember that not all people have your personal experience as you note in your video itself.
     
  15. obscura

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    It's not me. :D

    No, but I am a bi-racial person of color, and I oppose CRT as well, mainly because I don't think its intentions are good. Race does have a real-world impact on people, but many people do in fact succeed regardless of the opinions or prejudices of others.

    I still believe in free speech. You can't force someone not to be racist, or not to hate. That's something in their heart they have to deal with. It won't be rectified with punishment, or reverse racism.
     
  16. Hammster

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    No, reality says otherwise. But it does depend on whether you are looking at people as a group or as individuals. You obviously look at people as a group whereas I look at people as individuals.
     
  17. Oneiric1975

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    But I was asking how you were personally affected by CRT and BLM.

    So...you were affected because SOMEONE ELSE said something else?

    I'm seriously confused. Why would you represent yourself as a proud black woman?

    But you are unable to formulate any words of your own describing these travails?

    Are you familiar with the concept of statistics? Yes, in statistics each member of a population may have a different experience but when one looks at the LARGER PICTURE of OTHER people's experience we can see sometimes that individual actions aren't even shared by the majority.

    That is what is called anecdotal data.

    In reality history says otherwise. The advances we HAVE made were done through a very hard self-reckoning and acceptance of what horrors had happened in the past. NOT from ignoring them.

    But you are a smart, proud black woman and I wish you luck. I hope your experiences are better moving forward.

    Keep making the videos. Well done.
     
  18. Oneiric1975

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    Looking at GROUPS helps us understand larger signals.

    Did you ever take a science class? If you did then surely you did experiments where you did multiple copies of the same experiment and recorded the data. INDIVIDUALLY each experiment might have behaved somewhat differently (some probably failed!). But the overall analysis of the data (averages, standard deviations, etc.) showed the most likely result.

    Individually if you had taken one of the experiments that had "failed" you might draw the wrong conclusion about the experiment. Indeed the analysis of GROUP behavior is pretty much why you have the world you have today. The advances you enjoy in society and technology all come from that center.

    You like what is called "anecdotal data" which is exactly how one DOESN'T learn anything.
     
  19. rturner76

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    From the bit of research, I have done on CRT, there is a wide spectrum of opinions within the subject.

    I think the underlying theses across the whole spectrum of the subject is that past policy and cultural norms have and still do affect people of color.

    What I don't like about CRT is how infuriating it is to white folks who may have been open to a rational discussion. They get offended, the walls go up and nobody will give an inch of ground. Then it's just people telling each other why they are racist.
     
  20. Oneiric1975

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    This is a good point. There are honest people of good faith who are white who really want to learn how to NOT be part of the problem. And often they are lumped in with others who are far more resistant to anything like self-reflection and who DO represent real honest-to-goodness racism.

    The whole book on White Fragility was a tough one to read. In a real sense there's a chance of disincentivizing allies by simply assuming that because they are white they are equivalent to some of the more overt racists.

    I think there is SOLID REASON for everyone to assess their racist tendencies and to be cognizant of the benefits they have derived from being white in a systematically racist system. But that goes so far. And understanding those of "good intentions" is key to maintaining progress with allies.
     
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