Differentiating between trusting in Gods will for your life and being lazy?

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I created this thread because I have been in the middle of pursuing something that is difficult for me but has a great reward if I accomplish it. The problem is I don't know if I ever will. When does one stop trying to force things and just say okay you know what, whatever your will is it shall be done. And if someone does this and stops trying so hard each day but goes with the flow, is this so wrong?

For instance I have no actual marketable skills so I have been trying to teach myself computer programming, and in the beginning I put in a lot of hard work, but it got to the point where I felt burnt out. So I just sort of said your will be done father, and well I haven't programmed in weeks. I guess the question is, is this the better route to go than tiring myself out each day trying to learn something difficult for me? I feel happier when I just go with the flow than trying to use brute force to change my life. I figure that if it is meant to be I will learn it and naturally start up programming again. I'm not sure if this is right or not though.

I guess my question is, do you have to struggle and use all the will power you have to accomplish what you want in life? Or can you achieve what you want by letting things occur naturally at their own rate and pace? This is something i'm struggling with.
 

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I created this thread because I have been in the middle of pursuing something that is difficult for me but has a great reward if I accomplish it. The problem is I don't know if I ever will. When does one stop trying to force things and just say okay you know what, whatever your will is it shall be done. And if someone does this and stops trying so hard each day but goes with the flow, is this so wrong?

For instance I have no actual marketable skills so I have been trying to teach myself computer programming, and in the beginning I put in a lot of hard work, but it got to the point where I felt burnt out. So I just sort of said your will be done father, and well I haven't programmed in weeks. I guess the question is, is this the better route to go than tiring myself out each day trying to learn something difficult for me? I feel happier when I just go with the flow than trying to use brute force to change my life. I figure that if it is meant to be I will learn it and naturally start up programming again. I'm not sure if this is right or not though.

I guess my question is, do you have to struggle and use all the will power you have to accomplish what you want in life? Or can you achieve what you want by letting things occur naturally at their own rate and pace? This is something i'm struggling with.
God gave us a brain and He expects us to use it to make our life decisions. The Scripture says, "Do not be like a horse or a mule that needs to be led around with a bit and bridle." Many try to be guided by God as if He has a spiritual bit and bridle to force us in the way He wants us to go. Proverbs says, "Man may plan his way, but God guides his steps." This means that we are free to plan what we want to do in our lives, but when we look back over each stage of our life, we see the guiding of God in the maze of decisions that we have made. It is a mystery how when we make our own decisions, God guides us at the same time. People who sit on the couch and do nothing, saying that they are waiting for God to guide them do and will achieve nothing. The rudder of a boat will only guide it when the boat is travelling forward. In the same way, we decide what we want, take the initiative, and God then guides us through open and closed doors.

I wanted to do a university degree, so I went and applied and was accepted. Then on an impulse I applied for teacher training as well. There was only one city I could do both at the same time in a specialised course and it was not in the city I was living in at the time. So I had to go and live in that city. One event followed another and after four years I got my first teaching position in another city. Events followed one another, and part of it was that I met my wife and we got married. At the same time I became redundant, and got another teaching job in yet another city. I never wanted to come to Auckland, but circumstances happened that I was offered a teaching job here, so we relocated. I decided to do an MA, and recently a MDiv. I didn't ask God much about these things. I just went and did them. But looking back, I can see clearly how I was guided by God. After all these events, I have ended up being the senior elder in my church, something that would not have happened unless I had made all my previous decisions.

If I had sat on my acre in the city I was living in before going to university, I would not have two university degrees, a teaching diploma, a retirement job in a community organisation helping people, learned three musical instruments, and gained a responsible position in my church. I would not have had 26 years of happy marriage with a wonderful adult daughter. None of the things I did was easy, and I nearly killed myself spending 15 months doing an update of a 17th Century English play as my MA thesis.

I basically planned my own way without spending much time asking or waiting on God for guidance. I just accepted the Proverbs reference and planned my way and trusted God to guide my steps. I feel quite peaceful and confident that what has happened between the age of 19 and now at 70, that I could not have chosen a better way to live my life. I have done my best to seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness throughout those years, and even though I have had failures, shortcomings and setbacks, all the things that are important to me have been added to my life.

I think that we sweat too much about guidance, and we would be much happier if we decided to have the confidence to make our own decisions and trusted God to do the guiding bit.
 
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Programmers have a tendency to burn out after 10-15 years anyway. The introductory programming classes at my college were weeder classes, designed to separate out people who want to program from people who think they want to program. If you've burned out at an early stage, programming for a living might not be for you. It can be a useful skill to have in other fields, and it exercises the mind, so the time you put in so far isn't a total loss.
 
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Programmers have a tendency to burn out after 10-15 years anyway. The introductory programming classes at my college were weeder classes, designed to separate out people who want to program from people who think they want to program. If you've burned out at an early stage, programming for a living might not be for you. It can be a useful skill to have in other fields, and it exercises the mind, so the time you put in so far isn't a total loss.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going. I have done two university papers that were tough and gruelling - Musical Harmony, where I told the tutor that I was going to pass through sheer bloody-mindedness, and ended up getting a C pass. I told the tutor that I wasn't going to do stage 2 Harmony because I didn't want to get a nervous breakdown trying to do it. He told me that he didn't want to have a nervous breakdown trying to tutor me!

The other one was my MA thesis, which was to update a 17th Century play by the first English woman playwright. I had to use the 10 volume shorter Oxford English dictionary to compare the meaning of 17th Century words that have changed their meaning over the centuries, and find modern words that meant the same as the words used in the 17th Century. It was a long, involved difficult task and I ended up with a B+. After all that, I felt that I could live with that, and didn't complete all the corrections that I could have made to get a better grade.

I could have given up when things got tough, but I am not a quitter, and I believe that if you really want to succeed, you will. Like my power lifting coach says, "If you want to lift a heavier weight, use aggression!"

My Harmony tutor told me that I wouldn't pass and that I should choose another course. I told him that I wanted to learn it and I was going to stick with the course and pass it even if it killed me!

Jesus never wanted to go to the cross, because He knew what it meant to Him, but He knew that for the salvation of mankind, He had to go through the agonising and gruelling process. I'm so glad that He didn't give it away when things got tough. Paul was the same. Look at what he had to go through. He didn't give up either.
 
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A more fundamental question is, what does it mean to have a successful life? And is success even a meaningful way to think of life? I'm a Lutheran, so I would tend to say, no- I think that's more of a notion born out of Anglophone Puritanism.

I want to suggest another way to look at life. Life is a losing proposition. For much of the planet, in fact, it's just barely existing pushed on by primal impulses and yearnings. It's great if you can find some way to spend your time doing something you enjoy between now and the grave, but there are no guarantees even for the hardest working person out there that this life will be anything but a "vale of tears".

So I'd say, you won't be taking anything with you into eternity (and the values of this world won't be very relevant in the next), try to find a way to spend your time doing things you genuinely enjoy, that keep food on your table, and that contribute positively to the world. But other than that, the Christian life should be defined by freedom, even freedom to be a failure.
 
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A more fundamental question is, what does it mean to have a successful life? And is success even a meaningful way to think of life? I'm a Lutheran, so I would tend to say, no- I think that's more of a notion born out of Anglophone Puritanism.

I want to suggest another way to look at life. Life is a losing proposition. For much of the planet, in fact, it's just barely existing pushed on by primal impulses and yearnings. It's great if you can find some way to spend your time doing something you enjoy between now and the grave, but there are no guarantees even for the hardest working person out there that this life will be anything but a "vale of tears".

So I'd say, since you are a dead man already and you won't be taking anything with you into eternity, try to find a way to spend your time doing things you genuinely enjoy, that keep food on your table, and that contribute positively to the world. But other than that, the Christian life should be defined by freedom, even freedom to be a failure.
When I read this I get the picture of a Bible-belt person wearing black with a broad brimmed black hat, carrying a big black Bible, and resisting anything that would resemble a sense of humour. He is the type that goes around with the grim expression on his face. If I was confronted with a person like that when I had the gospel presented to me, I would have run for my life. Fortunately the guy who led me to Christ was a happy, joyful person and the church where I made the decision was a place where people greatly enjoyed worshiping God. If a person doesn't have joy in their lives, then they are not displaying the full fruit of the Spirit and one could readily accept that they are not Spirit filled at all.
 
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I created this thread because I have been in the middle of pursuing something that is difficult for me but has a great reward if I accomplish it. The problem is I don't know if I ever will. When does one stop trying to force things and just say okay you know what, whatever your will is it shall be done. And if someone does this and stops trying so hard each day but goes with the flow, is this so wrong?

For instance I have no actual marketable skills so I have been trying to teach myself computer programming, and in the beginning I put in a lot of hard work, but it got to the point where I felt burnt out. So I just sort of said your will be done father, and well I haven't programmed in weeks. I guess the question is, is this the better route to go than tiring myself out each day trying to learn something difficult for me? I feel happier when I just go with the flow than trying to use brute force to change my life. I figure that if it is meant to be I will learn it and naturally start up programming again. I'm not sure if this is right or not though.

I guess my question is, do you have to struggle and use all the will power you have to accomplish what you want in life? Or can you achieve what you want by letting things occur naturally at their own rate and pace? This is something i'm struggling with.

Whatever it be that you do, you will have struggles and have to put forth
lots of effort.
Even the people God called found themselves having struggles and
putting forth lots of effort to accomplish they tasks.
Remember that they walked with the Lord and prayed lots.

 
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That's not the Gospel, that's a dose of reality, what we call "Law". The Gospel doesn't promise us health and wealth or success, it doesn't promise us an easy life here on earth. What it does promise us is happiness in the next life.

Life is first, a gift. So own the gift. Be an authentic human being. That is where the real joy comes from. Not from living other peoples ideas of a successful life.
 
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That's not the Gospel, that's a dose of reality, what we call "Law". The Gospel doesn't promise us health and wealth or success, it doesn't promise us an easy life here on earth. What it does promise us is happiness in the next life.

Life is first, a gift. So own the gift. Be an authentic human being. That is where the real joy comes from. Not from living other peoples ideas of a successful life.
I have eternal life now as a new creation in Christ. I don't have to wait until the next life to enjoy it. Actually for me there is no "next life" because death for me will be stepping straight into the presence of God to continue the life that I already have.
 
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I want to suggest another way to look at life. Life is a losing proposition. For much of the planet, in fact, it's just barely existing pushed on by primal impulses and yearnings. It's great if you can find some way to spend your time doing something you enjoy between now and the grave, but there are no guarantees even for the hardest working person out there that this life will be anything but a "vale of tears".

I pretty much agree with this. Call it wisdom, or foolishness but to me when its all said and done, even if I work my hardest each day, what does all of it matter if I end up in the same place as a man who put in no effort at all. We both go to the grave. I see people before me who have doctorate degrees and they seem more stressed, more miserable than I. It seems my fate is the same whether I work hard, or do nothing, I go to the grave like everyone else and my happiness remains the same. It has been well proven people who get married, win the lottery..etc however happy they were before that event, thats the happiness they return to. Whats the point of working hard or just getting by if I will feel the same.
 
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I pretty much agree with this. Call it wisdom, or foolishness but to me when its all said and done, even if I work my hardest each day, what does all of it matter if I end up in the same place as a man who put in no effort at all. We both go to the grave. I see people before me who have doctorate degrees and they seem more stressed, more miserable than I. It seems my fate is the same whether I work hard, or do nothing, I go to the grave like everyone else and my happiness remains the same. It has been well proven people who get married, win the lottery..etc however happy they were before that event, thats the happiness they return to. Whats the point of working hard or just getting by if I will feel the same.
I may be contradicting myself somewhat in this thread, but your description of life concurs with Solomon in the book of Ecclesiastes where he says "All is vanity under the sun". But then we are reading the words of a man who had immense riches, position and status, and none of these things really satisfied him in the end. Even his 1000 wives couldn't bring him the fulfillment that he yearned for. It seems that he had turned away from that pure faith in God that he once had, and after having his only dependence on the material things of life, he became depressed and disillusioned.
 
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