Different levels of torture in hell

jlujan69 · Jan 16, 2010

I like Weber's parallel of the poisonous serpent incident in the OT to Jesus' own statement about that. It can be said that those in the OT who looked upon that effigy did so because they trusted God was telling them the truth just as those who "look upon" Jesus on the cross believe God.

Faith.Man · Jan 16, 2010

SkyWriting said:
Ah.. but I wonder how children fare. Of course I trust that the unborn, and the newborn are all given a fair shake, but I sometimes wonder how the fair shake works. There seem to be an accountability for thinking adults and the rest don't get much written about them. Oh well.

I think this is where our faith in God comes to play. We know God from the Old Testament and from the teachings in the New Testament of Jesus, Our Lord and Savior, and the work of the Holy Spirit within us. I do not believe we will ever find occasion to question God, or His choices when we're in Heaven. I, like you, would like to have a definitive answer. My wife and I lost two children, unborn, during pregnancy. I'd like to know our children are with the Lord. Certainly there are Biblical passages that give us some comfort, but not everything is black and white. My faith, given to me by His grace and mercy, are what I depend on. God is Love, and God is Just.

efelant · Jan 27, 2010

I might be alone with this, but it doesn't matter. I'll just try to put it simple.

I've been thinking lot about hell and it as a punishment, coming always to the same conclusion: I can't picture myself feeling content in heaven while knowing that people i care are suffering in hell, and i know that they are good people even if god hasn't entered their lives (i just do). So it wasn't easy for me, but.. i told god that i will not take my place in heaven. I feel like this is something i need to do. So in short, i'm going to hell as a volunteer. I've tried to imagine all the pain and suffering that i'll feel, but i know it will be a million times worse.
I just can't make others believe so they could be saved, so i want to save them in my own way. I want god to save my spot to those with no faith.
Why? Because they need it the most.

I don't know if god will allow this and most of you must think i'm plain ridiculous. But to be honest, after accepting my possible damnation in hell, i have more courage to confront it.

So theres my thoughts, don't wanna start an argument. I just thought someone might like a different pov.

Leviticus20:13 · Jan 27, 2010

Once you've turned away from the word of christ you are surely damned to the worst torments of hell. But perhaps those who never heard the word would simply be denied a place in heaven rather than suffer eternal torment for it.

efelant · Jan 27, 2010

I never said that i will turn away from gods word, but that i'll stay with those without it. I'm never going to give up. I think this is why i was made strong.

But those without faith in their lives, they are just being rational inside their own world. Usually they know a great deal about the word, but don't take it seriously because they never had to. I some way it's not their fault, so i don't see it fair for them to suffer for it.

Oh wow, i must sound like a horrible christian I just love my family so much.

Hentenza · Jan 27, 2010

efelant said:
I never said that i will turn away from gods word, but that i'll stay with those without it. I'm never going to give up. I think this is why i was made strong.

But those without faith in their lives, they are just being rational inside their own world. Usually they know a great deal about the word, but don't take it seriously because they never had to. I some way it's not their fault, so i don't see it fair for them to suffer for it.

Oh wow, i must sound like a horrible christian I just love my family so much.

Ezekiel 18:20 tells us that each of us are responsible for our sins.

20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

Scripture also tells us that faith in Jesus is required for salvation (John 3:16 and many others).

Scripture also tells us to share the good news of the Gospel of redemption with all including those in our household. There is not greater love than sharing the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior with those that do not believe. Please pray for your unbelieving members of your family and share the gospel with them.

Leviticus20:13 · Jan 27, 2010

yeah I suppose if those who turn away from god can still evoke feelings of love in others and lead good lives it would be harsh indeed for god to send them to hell. But I'd be surprised if they were allowed to experience the full glory of heaven - why should an athiest be granted the same rewards as some one of the faith?

efelant · Jan 27, 2010

out of grace.

Leviticus20:13 · Jan 27, 2010

Hentenza said:
Ezekiel 18:20 tells us that each of us are responsible for our sins.

20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

hmm to me that sorta implies that the son of a musilim who is raised in that faith and follows it will not be punished for it.

Hentenza · Jan 27, 2010

Leviticus20:13 said:
hmm to me that sorta implies that the son of a musilim who is raised in that faith and follows it will not be punished for it.

John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Fathers house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.
5 Thomas said to Him, Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him. (Bold mine)

The Muslims lack Jesus.

InkBlott · Jan 27, 2010

supportisrael35 said:
I like to debate atheists and one thing that got me thinking is it seems logical that people who scoff and consciously reject God would worse eternal torture than someone who God never gave a chance to be saved (like a muslim who never heard of christ)

What do you think? I know it is not in hte bible but it seems like logic

Hi. I'm an atheist. I'm curious. How does contemplating the possibility of the extra share of torture due us atheists effect your enjoyment of your debates with us? Does it enhance it? For instance, do you cackle and rub your hands together in glee?

I work in an emergency room. Strangely, I don't feel any glee when I see burned people. But then, I'm just an atheist. My natural reaction may be faulty.

InkBlott · Jan 27, 2010

efelant said:
I might be alone with this, but it doesn't matter. I'll just try to put it simple.

I've been thinking lot about hell and it as a punishment, coming always to the same conclusion: I can't picture myself feeling content in heaven while knowing that people i care are suffering in hell, and i know that they are good people even if god hasn't entered their lives (i just do). So it wasn't easy for me, but.. i told god that i will not take my place in heaven. I feel like this is something i need to do. So in short, i'm going to hell as a volunteer. I've tried to imagine all the pain and suffering that i'll feel, but i know it will be a million times worse.
I just can't make others believe so they could be saved, so i want to save them in my own way. I want god to save my spot to those with no faith.
Why? Because they need it the most.

I don't know if god will allow this and most of you must think i'm plain ridiculous. But to be honest, after accepting my possible damnation in hell, i have more courage to confront it.

So theres my thoughts, don't wanna start an argument. I just thought someone might like a different pov.

I am quoting you because you seem to me to be acquainted with whatever that little spark is in Christianity that keeps pulling me back. Thank you.

[edit] I want to add that if I am wrong and there is a God and a hell, I would like to join you. It seems the only way to stay sane in such an afterlife. It is a brave proposition.

General Mung Beans · Jan 27, 2010

InkBlott said:
Hi. I'm an atheist. I'm curious. How does contemplating the possibility of the extra share of torture due us atheists effect your enjoyment of your debates with us? Does it enhance it? For instance, do you cackle and rub your hands together in glee?

I work in an emergency room. Strangely, I don't feel any glee when I see burned people. But then, I'm just an atheist. My natural reaction may be faulty.

I don't think any good Christian wants atheists to burn in Hell-they want to save them.

MatthewDiscipleofGod · Jan 27, 2010

General Mung Beans said:
I don't think any good Christian wants atheists to burn in Hell-they want to save them.

I agree. If a Christian desires atheists to burn in hell they better take a deep look into their spiritual status to make sure they don't go there themselves.

efelant · Jan 28, 2010

InkBlott said:
[edit] I want to add that if I am wrong and there is a God and a hell, I would like to join you. It seems the only way to stay sane in such an afterlife. It is a brave proposition.

You seem to know what you want, so i'll gladly share the road with you.
I'm much more brave when i'm not alone. Thank you too.

revelations45 · Jan 28, 2010

I know some homosexuals, some of them seem to be nice people but I worry about what will happen to them on their day of judgement

Leviticus20:13 · Jan 28, 2010

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

Hentenza · Jan 28, 2010

Guys,

God is the only one that knows the heart. Salvation is not ours, therefore, judging who is and will be saved is pure legalism. God can certainly do His work until the very moment of death. See the thief on the cross.

To the OP,

The premise that there are different levels of hell is not biblical. Please provide biblical evidence to support your premise. Thanks.

efelant · Jan 28, 2010

Thank you for posting the obvious I know the final decision is not mine, but i've made up my mind in the case if god declines my sacrifice. It's in his power to do so.

I pray that he would take us all, but i know what the bible says. So all that is left for me is to follow my heart and my heart is with my loved ones. I don't want to lie and say otherwise.

General Mung Beans · Jan 28, 2010

Leviticus20:13 said:
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

There's plenty of evidence in the New Testament against homosexuality so why quote the Old considering it's part of Mosaic Law which has been superseded? It will make you a target for atheists and Liberal Christians who will ask "Why don't you observe the dietary laws too? Why do you wear mixed fabrics etc?"

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