Did Yeshua consider the "Book of Enoch" scripture?

[Joyous Song]

Visionary: Check out any Satanic camp and you will find that sex with the devil is part of the program. You will also find the belief that if the devil's seed can propagate with human, then they will have the king they will worship.

Noah was righteous. It is believed that he was one of the few left with "pure" seed.. aka was not contaminated with evil angel's seed.

JS: As mentioned before, there’s a problem with these texts as they are all interpreted from an Ethiopian text whose history is not known. Think of all our conversations and how often we needed to go back to Greek or Hebrew to get the true meaning, such as “men of good omen” quoted in the usual interpretation of Zech.3.8. That word also fits “those men associated with him” far better. Yet, without knowing the many meanings of רעך , we never could have stumbled on that alternate yet clearer interpretation.

Also many topics we recently have discussed, the mark, the abomination of desolation, and what it meant when the wise told the unwise to go ‘buy’ their oil; all had different definitions when compared to what we read elsewhere (also rather unpopular ones, 2Pet.3.15-17).

This is especially important if these same fallen angels plan to resurface before the end and influence the anti-Christ and False Prophet. It may give us clues as to their tactics based on what they did before the flood. Of course errors of understanding can have the opposite effect. We also need to compare this text interpretations to the Canon’s written Word such as Matt.22.30:


“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given unto marriage, but are like angels in Heaven.”


If we, in the resurrection will neither marry or be given unto marriage as angels, how can angels procreate except through planting false seeds - the knowledge of good and evil without grace, the serpent clever tongue. Thus, could that word, “begot” have another interpretation?

It is further interesting that this book just resurfaced in a time the anti-Christ is likely to rise (within this generation), and given most Christians today read Scripture literally, ignore canon and find it hard to understand symbolic or even spiritual language, then this could be just the red herring the devil is seeking.

Besides, the devil is most successful when some truth is woven inside the lie. This is not to say whether the Book of Enoch is kosher or not, but just another item to be wary about. Indeed, like the No-prophet (Zech.13), all written material probably should be looked at, studied, and tested by our Mother (the Church) and Father (pope or prime bishop), not laity for much the same reason (see No-Prophet on Eschatology-the End Times message board).

Perhaps this is because these have greater resources than we. For example there is likely at least a few bishops or theologians in Ethiopia who could read this in the original language and test each potential interpretation against the canon and then publish a copy that is “worthy of belief.” Yet without such a resource we are on a far weaker foundation and maybe even with this.

For example, compare Enoch from a modern interpretation to Jude’s quote in canon:


“And behold! He comes with ten thousand Holy Ones; to execute judgment upon them and to destroy the impious, and to contend with all flesh concerning everything that the sinners and the impious have done and wrought against Him.” Enoch 1.9


“Behold, the L-rd comes with his Holy Myriads, to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which the ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude.14

The two Enoch interpretations I downloaded each wrote “ten thousand holy ones” for 1.9; however, Jude wrote “Holy Myriads.” Though Myriads, μυριασιν, can mean “ten thousand” it also, like in English, means “an uncountable multitude.” This second definition fits the second coming of HaMoshiach ben Dovid far more accurately. Therefore, this instance alone shows the danger of assuming non-canon/accepted Scriptures, even those interpretations are quoted in canon

Without the knowledge and resources it is difficult to address the word “beget” from Enoch 6.2 writings:

- In Greek there are two forms of this word - one αποκυεω, means: “to generate” or “bring into being” and the other γενναω, means: “beget”, or even “make”.

- In Hebrew beget is only one word ילד , yet there is also ben,בן “a son” it too has additional meaning including “act as a midwife” or “claim as your son”, or beten, בטן . “to be born”, and any could be the root of that Ethiopian word (or one we can’t think of as well). Satan in may ways was a midwife and father to Hitler, he indeed worshiped Satan forming a satanic cult in SS, but he was born of Catholic parents, not a demon.

Therefore, without the text in Hebrew (or Greek) there is no way to confirm or deny that one word was the only definition or even the one intended when Enoch wrote this down long ago. Maybe one of the Dead Sea scroll could, but again we have no access. So, yes, Jude quoted that book, but that was two thousand years ago, when those Dead Sea scrolls were likely whole and accessible, and text in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. That is not what we have today.

We hope we have made a clear concern regarding the dangers of not going through tested and approved materials such as the canon Scriptures.

 

[visionary]

Indeed, like the No-prophet (Zech.13), all written material probably should be looked at, studied, and tested by our Mother (the Church) and Father (pope or prime bishop), not laity for much the same reason (see No-Prophet on Eschatology-the End Times message board).

That there in itself should give one pause and reconsideration... Like it is "infallible". While all the cautions given are good advise, every thing should be done with prayerful study, careful comparisons against the foundation of truth found in scripture, and take the meat and spit out any bones of contention.

There were 800 to 900 manuscripts collectively known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Among these manuscripts were large portions of a mysterious non-canonical religious text which had long been forgotten. It was called the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch is made up of five books – The Book of Watchers, Book of Parables, The Astronomical Book, The Dream Visions, and The Epistles of Enoch.

Key things of interest are the Nephilim. Nephilim Genesis 6 “heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.” In Numbers 13:32-33, the Israelites visit a land inhabited by Nephilim, who are so large they make the Israelites look like “grasshoppers.” Reading the Book of Enoch fills in some gaps and raises more questions. Evidence of giants does exist. No one has collected all the evidence of their existence into one book or catalogue research material for us to read. Many a tale can be found in the folklore of bygone days in all parts of the world. Ancient unexplained archeological sites show dwellings, huge skeleton remains, and enormous evidence of strength. It is scattered and sparse.

There are other fascinating things that are mentioned the Book of Enoch that fill in gaps and explain things, which I will post those I find interesting here.

 

[visionary]

Were you ever curious as to why women must cover their heads? Corinthians 11:5-6 Paul instructs that women should cover their heads while in church. Watchers in the Book of Enoch were attracted to women with long flowing hair and Paul reasons

1 Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Thee context of this verse has to do with women being made for man and man is over her. But the very fact that is mentioned about the power on her head and angels makes for an interesting connection.

Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. (1 Cor 11:10 NASB)

To get a reason for this connection between angels and women covering their heads, the Book of Enoch explains.

Book of Enoch VI and VII quoting at length:

And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.

And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Now with this the purpose that Paul had women covering their head make sense - because the angels once were led astray by the beauty of human women, it is fitting that women cover the heads so as to not arouse the lust of these fallen angels who may be lingering about.

 

[Joyous Song]

Joyous Song: Indeed, like the No-prophet (Zech.13), all written material probably should be looked at, studied, and tested by our Mother (the Church) and Father (pope or prime bishop), not laity for much the same reason (see No-Prophet on Eschatology-the End Times message board).

Visionary: That there in itself should give one pause and reconsideration... Like it is "infallible". While all the cautions given are good advise, every thing should be done with prayerful study, careful comparisons against the foundation of truth found in scripture, and take the meat and spit out any bones of contention.

JS: All of us are accountable to someone of authority. Consider that Christ upheld the authority of the scribes and Pharisees for they sit upon the seat of Moshe, but also did chastise them for their behavior when He said do not follow their example (Matt 23.1). Likewise, Christianity has a seat of authority (Matt.16.17-18) for He said to Peter:


“I give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you bind on earth shall be bond in heaven and whatever you loosen on earth shall be loosened in Heaven.” 19


The early church fathers came together in several councils with popes overseeing them to form the canon that exists today.

Visionary: Though this maybe true for a mature Christian strong in faith and able to hear His Voice, this is not true for everyone, yet this text is open and being confirmed kosher without any safe guards. On this site already, one person has clearly stated that reading books like this (and he quoted Enoch) is shaking his faith!

JS: Indeed we are to pray, which we have done, and I had the following dream:

I saw Enoch was a strong house (felt this was Enoch’s in the dream), yet it was placed on a foundation of sand. Behind that house was a pit as if the sand caved in or someone triggered a sink hole. Randal was working on that house when he slipped into the pit in back. Before he could fall, something grabbed him and brought him back to safety.

We have come to believe this dream is a warning. Although Enoch was solid in Jude’s day, and though some in faith can probably study it safely (because that building is a strong house), it is still risky. The foundation is not solid (perhaps it’s an interpretation of an interpretation) and there is a pit, or a stumbling, near it.

Also, Randal means “shield” and what is our Mother (the Church) and our father (pope or prime bishop) but a shield that HaShem put into place to protect us from ourselves. It is this shield that slipped into that pit in back! Your assertion unwittingly does just this. By ignoring the proper shield HaShem put into place in this case; it whittles away at that same authority with everything else.

Put simply, the claim we are equipped to take works like Enoch to “prayerful study, careful comparisons against the foundation of truth found in scripture, and take the meat and spit out any bones of contention” has a flaw. Not only has this very site shown that the book of Enoch has shaken the faith of one individual, we also had a person claiming to be a prophet!

Indeed we have seen, as regards Hahalacha being kosher, those who claim it’s by faith and deep prayer that they KNOW Hahalacha (the laws of Moshe) are obsolete, while quoting Heb.8.13 out of context and Galatians in depth.

This is why we need that shield of Mother and father. They can pierce through the dross and find the gold, or even choose not to because that which we think is valuable they see as extraneous. In other words, if indeed Enoch is valuable, then it will only be so if every word within it can be confirmed in the Scriptures. This is because for the last two thousand years the Bible is the only “book of Enoch” we have had, and we did just fine without it. And if we really can confirm each word and phrase then why not just read those Scriptures which are grounded on rock, not sand?

Visionary: There were 800 to 900 manuscripts collectively known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Among these manuscripts were large portions of a mysterious non-canonical religious text which had long been forgotten. It was called the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch is made up of five books – The Book of Watchers, Book of Parables, The Astronomical Book, The Dream Visions, and The Epistles of Enoch.

I do not have access to these fragments of parchment, and I know of no interpretation of Enoch that utilized these fragments. All those I found and downloaded were from the Ethiopian text.

Besides, I’m laity, a lowly lamb type, and have come to believe that if those texts were necessary for the sake of our salvation, or understanding, HaShem would have ensured they would have been included during the compilation of the Bible. And even if it is for our knowledge now, this task still belongs to Mother and father to determine and then publicly approve or not approve. Clearly, the public delving into a non-approved text has already caused one’s faith to be shaken.

Visionary: Key things of interest are the Nephilim. Nephilim Genesis 6 “heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.” In Numbers 13:32-33, the Israelites visit a land inhabited by Nephilim, who are so large they make the Israelites look like “grasshoppers.” Reading the Book of Enoch fills in some gaps and raises more questions. Evidence of giants does exist. No one has collected all the evidence of their existence into one book or catalogue research material for us to read. Many a tale can be found in the folklore of bygone days in all parts of the world. Ancient unexplained archeologist sites show dwellings, huge skeleton remains, and enormous evidence of strength. It is scattered and sparse.

JS: Consider that archeology seems to have confirmed that our ancestors were far shorter than we are now. If we recall correctly, the average size was around five feet. As such, much of today’s population would appear as giants in comparison, especially basketball players. The reason could be diet, but there could also be genetics involved. As such, those genes would had to have originated form somewhere.

Yes, a woman's hair is her glory and we are called to cover our heads, thus covering that glory. Why? We do not believe the covering is a sacrament, just a piece of cloth. And like the laws of washing our hands or keeping our vessels clean, it is something women are called to do when they pray, like a man’s phylacteries.

Christ said: “Think not that I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets, I come to not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not dot, not one iota of the Law will pass from the Law until all is accomplished” Matt.5.17-18


That said, head coverings or phylacteries are not salvaic. Neither are washing hands and vessels; however, in the atmosphere of a covid-19 pandemic, it is very wise to do so to keep people healthy. So what is the purpose of the Law? Its purpose is a witness and testimony to HaShem and His promises, as seen through the blessings of His people.

It’s easy to see the blessing of washing hands in vessels in today’s understanding of bacteria and diseases. As for the blessing women get by covering their “glory” and men by wearing phylacteries? Both are used in prayer.

Paul himself explains in meaning at the outset of 1 Cor.11:


The woman covers her head when she prays because she is a reflection of man. Then in verse he clearly explains, “for this reason a woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels” 10.


In your interpretation you use a quote from Enoch that we already pointed out had a concerning word that could have been a different word in the Hebrew. If it is, as we suspect, not beget but something else, then your entire interpretation is now on a weaker ground. Besides, even if a woman came from Adam’s side, all men (since Adam) come from a woman’s womb. And though woman is not independent of man, neither is man independent of woman.

Why should a woman cover her authority because of of the angels? Paul gives an order that this is because in the order:


But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head the woman, and G-d is the head of Christ. 3


We see this connection of husband over wife as similar as G-d is over Christ, thus angels who are under Christ. The woman covers her glory/authority, to show subservience as angels are subservient to G-d. Yet this should not go to a man’s head because he also is subservient to Christ, even Peter and his bishops above us and HaShem is above them.

 

[HARK!]

 

[Yusuphhai]

I guess Enoch is a man like angel, very special. His history will be the future of all saints, who will be also like angel. But now some can taste the fruit of “being like angel” beforehand. Hebrew have special opinion about time-past ,now and future. <<The Book of Enoch>> is hidden maybe means some secret need not spread too widely.