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Did we owe a "debt?"

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Light of the East, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. Light of the East

    Light of the East Ukrainian Greek Catholic Supporter

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    I was doing a little Internet browsing and came across a statement which said:

    "I think when it comes to the atonement our debt was cancelled, not paid for. There’s a big difference."

    Once again, this sounds like legal soteriology which is endemic in the West. What would be your take on the Cross having anything to do with any form of debt as opposed to healing mankind's nature from the consequences of sin?

    Thank you.
     
  2. SeventyOne

    SeventyOne Not my faulty.

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    You mean like this?

    Colossians 2:13-4: And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
     
  3. ArmyMatt

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    yes, Christ paid the debt to sin and death, not to the irked Father. legal language is not wrong per say.
     
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  4. gzt

    gzt The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.07 billion years

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    And then there's the Lord's Prayer - forgive us our debts... We need to be careful about becoming too allergic to the idea of any kind of "legal" or "financial" metaphor for our atonement. We certainly can't reduce it to a legal transaction, but the way out of this is noticing all the plurality of models we have to describe it, not to throw out anything we want to avoid having it reduced to. All models are false, some are useful - as they say in a different field.
     
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  5. Hermit76

    Hermit76 You can call me Paisios Supporter

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    "...as we forgive our debtors." I think Our Father has a different relational context in that sense.
     
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