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Did Trump supporters know they’d be paying for his tariffs on Chinese goods?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Sparagmos, May 15, 2019.

  1. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Among Donald's numerous other charms, we can add hypocrisy...
     
  2. Albion

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    Hard to say, but there was no secret made about it.

    I'm curious, though, as to how we could "incentivize buying American" and "discourage buying goods from China"--without paying more for those goods, as happens with the imposition of tariffs.
     
  3. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    It's not to reduce consumption of Chinese goods. It's meant to leverage China into trading fairly with the US.
     
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  4. Steve Petersen

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    I understand the reasons for Nixon/Kissinger and Chinese Engagement. If things can be worked out in the marketplace rather than the battlefield, that is nothing but good IMO.

    If we can create a world in which there is disincentive to war on your trading partners, that is desirable.
     
  5. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    There are other ways but tariffs are the most obvious and logical way, IMO. I’m also for public/peer pressure. And heavily taxing businesses like wal-mart that get everything from China.
     
  6. Sparagmos

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    I’m not an expert, but in my efforts to understand the trade war I’m learning that economists don’t necessarily think that China isn’t “trading fairly.” That its normal for a rich country to import far more than we export because rich countries consume so much more.
     
  7. Sparagmos

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    Just read this tweet from Trump:

    "For 10 months, China has been paying Tariffs to the USA of 25% on 50 Billion Dollars of High Tech, and 10% on 200 Billion Dollars of other goods. These payments are partially responsible for our great economic results. The 10% will go up to 25% on Friday. 325 Billions Dollars," Trump tweeted Sunday.

    So looks to me like he believes, or wants people to believe, that China is paying the tariffs and that is somehow boosting the economy already.
     
  8. HTacianas

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    China places tariffs on US made products to protect their domestic industries. But more importantly in China, and Asia in general, intellectual property rights are not part of their culture. Chinese manufacturers crank out untold numbers of brand name products including everything from Levis jeans to copies of movies and Microsoft Windows. They then sell those counterfeit products at a profit undercutting the patent and trademark holders. That is the sticking point in the negotiations. The Chinese government effectively refuses to adopt Western trademark traditions.
     
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  9. Speedwell

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    Then why not attack the problem directly? Why not impose tariffs only on Chinese goods which are in violation of US intellectual property laws?
     
  10. paul1149

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    For the record, I'm not Donald Trump and neither do I speak for him. But I can easily imagine his reason here being that he as a businessman is not interested in putting himself at a disadvantage to the competition. As long as the rules allow cheap Chinese sourcing, so be it, he's going to play by the rules. But as president he now has the opportunity to change the rules for the long-term good of the nation, and everyone, including his own companies, will have to look elsewhere or pay a little more for their goods, at least until the tariffs might no longer be necessary or viable domestic alternatives arise. I don't see this as hypocrisy.
     
  11. HTacianas

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    Products in violation of intellectual property laws are illegal to import into the US. Customs confiscates and destroys tons of counterfeit goods every year but cannot keep up with it. And it is difficult to enforce patent laws on products manufactured in China but shipped to other countries.

    The Chinese government is complicit in trademark violations and refuses to enforce trademark laws but Chinese trademark holders can sue American manufacturers in US courts. It's completely one sided.
     
  12. essentialsaltes

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    Except for Trump's numerous inaccurate statements suggesting that China was paying the tariffs.

    How to influence buying behavior? Advertising.

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  13. TLK Valentine

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    There's rarely any secret about any of Donald's lies... his followers choose not to see them anyway.

    Well, rather than artificially inflating the prices using the government, what kind of incentives could we offer US companies to actually make better products?
     
  14. OldWiseGuy

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    He's giving China "space to repent". It's a Godly principle.
     
  15. OldWiseGuy

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    How dare you hit the nail on the head! Twenty lashes with a wet noodle! :zoro:
     
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    I’m not sure Trump himself knew.

    China is acting unfairly in some ways, but the trade deficit has nothing to do with it. The trade deficit is just Trump’s proxy target due to his inability to understand and/or articulate the real problem.
     
  18. Sparagmos

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    Ah, thanks.
     
  19. Sparagmos

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    But he’s supposedly rich enough to buy American and support American manufacturing. We can’t “bring manufacturing jobs back” unless Americans buy American.
     
  20. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

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    I don't pay much. Because I don't buy much. Good for me. But I'm more liberal minded.
     
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