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Featured Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, May 23, 2019.

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  1. nolidad

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    No since Solomons temple! They were renamed during teh second temple era (when I do not know)

    But under solomon there was the inner court that only Jewish men could go
    the outer court was where jewish women and those ceremonially unclean went
    and then the outside where gentiles could go.

    Sometime between Zerubbael and Herod the inner court was renamed the court of the Jew, the outer court was named the court of the women and then during Herods reconstruction they enclosed the area outside and named it the court of the gentiles. They followed the practice all the way8 from Solomons temple of seperating the Jewish men and women (even in synagogue Women had to stay behind lattices)

    These are just teh facts from the first temple!

    And if this separation was against teh will of God- Jesus had the perfect opportunity many many times when He was in teh temple to say this separation in temple worship was an abomination in gods sight- ut He didn't!
     
  2. BABerean2

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    The Law of Moses was a shadow or type of the New Covenant.

    Paul describes it as "the ministry of death" engraved on stones in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.


    In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul compares the Sinai Covenant to "bondage", and compels the Galatians to "cast out" this covenant.


    In Matthew chapter 5 Christ reveals the higher standard of the New Covenant by quoting from the Old Covenant and then using the words "But I say...".


    Mat 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.'
    Mat 5:22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
    Mat 5:23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
    Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
    Mat 5:25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
    Mat 5:26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.


    Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
    Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
    Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.


    Mat 5:31 "Furthermore it has been said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'
    Mat 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.


    Mat 5:33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.'
    Mat 5:34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne;
    Mat 5:35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
    Mat 5:36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.
    Mat 5:37 But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.


    Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
    Mat 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
    Mat 5:40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.
    Mat 5:41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
    Mat 5:42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.


    Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
    Mat 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
    Mat 5:45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
    Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
    Mat 5:47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
    Mat 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

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  3. nolidad

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    Not teh temple system- but the corruption that grew in the system.

    I am not disagreeing that teh glory left the temple- but the glory also resided in teh temple on many occasions! As women were excluded from entering the inner court!
     
  4. nolidad

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    Well you r subtle prepubescent ad-hominems aside, I cannot show what is not there. But I can show you history that proves no women ever entered into the inner court(court of men) except to bring in the saacrifice, and no gentile ever went past the outer court (court of teh women) ever legally. If you have verses that show this happened or that god hated this- I will recant my position!
     
  5. nolidad

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    And Paul said teh law was a schoolmaster to Keep Israel till the promised ssed should come. Paul said the law was holy and righteous and good! But it was a ministry of death. Its purpose was to driver Israel to Jesus!
     
  6. nolidad

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    Let me tell you agasin- the term inferior does not mean lesser as saved- just they had restgrictions (temple and inheritance) than Jewish men. Inferior means they have less opportunity than Jewish men, not they are lesser people.
     
  7. jgr

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    Let me tell you again that in the eyes of God's Word (which are the only eyes that count), there was no difference between Israel's Gentile citizens and its Jewish citizens.

    Numerous Scriptures which affirm and confirm that truth have been repeatedly cited.

    Glad to see you now agree.
     
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  8. claninja

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    Ezekiel 37:13-14 And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people. And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the Lord.”

    I would argue Ezekiel 37 is a reference to those being born again and receiving the Spirit.

    John 5:25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live

    Ephesians 2:4 made us alive with Christ, even when we were dead in our trespasses

    Acts 2:15-17 These men are not drunk as you suppose. It is only the third hour of the day! No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people.

    The 2nd half of Ezekiel 37 is in regards to the northern kingdom rejoining the southern kingdom.

    Ezekiel 37:21-22 you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations and will never again be divided into two kingdoms.

    Hosea prophesies of this same event, which states when the northern kingdom would again be God's people, they would gather together with Judah under one head.

    Hosea 1:10-11 Yet the number of the Israelites will be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or counted. And it will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ Then the people of Judah and of Israel will be gathered together, and they will appoint for themselves one head, and will go up out of the land. For great will be the day of Jezreel.

    We should note that Paul has Hosea 1:10 fulfilled, with the inclusion of the GENTILES with the Jews in the vessels of mercy IN THE FIRST CENTURY.

    Romans 9:24-26 including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? As He says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people, and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,”h and, “It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”I

    Thus by God including the gentiles, of whom some descended from the divorced and exiled northern kingdom, with the Jews in the vessels of mercy, he fulfills his promise to rejoin the northern and southern kingdom. Paul has this being fulfilled in the 1st century.

    No need to be rude.
     
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  9. mkgal1

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    Excuse me for being a bit pedantic, but I would like to clarify this a bit (because many U.S. Christians believe - not unlike people throughout history - that attending church "saves" them). I just wanted to make it clear that it's Jesus that provided salvation (which I am sure isn't "news" to you, Baberean2). It makes me think of this passage:

    Jeremiah 7:3-11 ~ This is what the LORD of heavenly forces, the God of Israel, says: Improve your conduct and your actions, and I will dwell with you in this place.
    4 Don't trust in lies: "This is the LORD's temple! The LORD's temple! The LORD's temple!"
    No, if you truly reform your ways and your actions; if you treat each other justly;
    if you stop taking advantage of the immigrant, orphan, or widow; if you don't shed the blood of the innocent in this place, or go after other gods to your own ruin,
    only then will I dwell with you in this place, in the land that I gave long ago to your ancestors for all time.
    And yet you trust in lies that will only hurt you.

    Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, sacrifice to Baal and go after other gods that you don't know,
    and then come and stand before me in this temple that bears my name, and say, "We are safe," only to keep on doing all these detestable things?

    Do you regard this temple, which bears my name, as a hiding place for criminals? I can see what's going on here, declares the LORD.
     
  10. BABerean2

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    Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

    Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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  11. mkgal1

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    I'm not concerned with "facts". There are all sorts of "facts" in the Bible that aren't things that please God. This for instance (are you going to follow your same rule and suggest this was God that caused this and suggest that this is what He puts His stamp of approval on? It is a "fact" after all.....and it is in the Bible):

    Exodus 32:1-4 ~ Now when the people saw that Moses was delayed in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods who will go before us. As for this Moses who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has happened to him!”

    So Aaron told them, “Take off the gold earrings that are on your wives and sons and daughters, and bring them to me.”

    Then all the people took off their gold earrings and brought them to Aaron. He took the gold from their hands, and with an engraving tool he fashioned it into a molten calf. And they said, “O Israel, these are your gods, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!”



    He didn't say "abomination in God's sight" but He did say, " “Is it not written, dMy house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’?But e you have made it a den of robbers.”

    And after Jesus' resurrection and ascension.....while the temple was still standing, Paul had proclaimed that:

    For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility ~ Ephesians 2:14
     
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  12. mkgal1

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    I can agree with that. That's true.
    God gave instruction for the tent of meeting with the ark of the covenant in the wilderness. ISTM that the whole temple system began with King David wishing for God to have a worthy "house" built for Him. God didn't quite seem to be thrilled with the idea, though (in my perspective, anyway).

    2 Samuel 7:4-7 ~ This is what the Lord says: You are not the one to build the temple for me to live in. In fact, I haven’t lived in a temple from the day I brought Israel out of Egypt until now. Instead, I have been traveling around in a tent and in a dwelling. Throughout my traveling around with the Israelites, did I ever ask any of Israel’s tribal leaders I appointed to shepherd my people: Why haven’t you built me a cedar temple?
    I never made the claim that Jesus called the system "evil". Things aren't that black & white. There most certainly was corruption in the system, though (and it seems we agree on that much).
     
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  13. mkgal1

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    There was a bit of time of warning prior to the destruction. It wasn't just ONE grievance. Jesus cleansing the temple has specific meaning according to the law for the temple laid out in Leviticus.

    Quoting from linked article:
    From around the world, first-century Jews came to the temple at Passover to sacrifice to the Lord (Ex. 12:1–28; Lev. 23:4–8). It was impractical to bring sacrificial animals long distances; so, they were available in Jerusalem — for a price. Most Jews also paid the temple tax at Passover, and money-changers were there to convert Roman coinage into appropriate currency: pagan mottoes on Roman money made it unacceptable for Yahweh’s house. Though not inherently evil, these practices became occasions for sin. Pilgrims paid exorbitant rates to change money, and sellers exploited those in poverty, overcharging for the poor man’s offering of pigeons and doves (Lev. 5:7). To make things worse, these merchants set up shop in the Court of the Gentiles, making it useless as a place of prayer due to the hustle and bustle the buying and selling created.

    Therefore Jesus drove out the sellers (Matt. 21:12). These merchants, and the priests who allowed their presence, cared nothing for true worship as long as they could make money and keep up the rituals. Our Savior hated this sacrilege, which kept the nations from learning about the living God in His sanctuary.

    We cannot underestimate the importance of this act. It showed Jesus as having authority to purify and take charge of the temple, a messianic task (Ezek. 43:1–12) that only put Him more at odds with the Sanhedrin. ~ Ligonier Ministries

    Quoting Dr. Joel McDurmon ~
    I also note for you that this article is taken from the slightly longer version in my book Jesus v. Jerusalem. This commentary on a large section of Luke contains this study and many more like it.

    Inspection of a Corruption in a House

    Indeed, there were two separate cleansings of the Temple, and there is a better explanation for them. What lies behind these separate instances is Jesus fulfilling the role of the High Priest visiting and inspecting the touch of affliction/corruption in the house. This is described in Leviticus 14:33–53. It accounts for the multiple visitations and the repeated act of removing the corruption, then finally pronouncing the house (temple) unclean and decreeing the total destruction of the house. It also fits in with Jesus’ mission against Jerusalem. Now for considerations of space, I will not reproduce the whole long section of Leviticus here, but it is important that you take up your Bible and read it at this point. What follows are the highlights of the priestly duties throughout that passage, and how they pertain to Jesus’ ministry.

    First, the phrase “plague of leprosy,” or “leprous disease” is misleading. It has more relation to translation history than they actual Hebrew of the text. The actual phrase should more simply be translated “touch of affliction,” or “corruption.” The “leprosy” mentioned was not a disease, obviously, since it affected building stones and garments as well as people (see Lev. 14:54–57). It was also certainly not anything like what is known as leprosy today. It was an unknown affliction or corruption and God was giving them detailed steps on how to determine the level of threat and how to deal with it based on the determination. Since it also obviously pertained to something dangerous, undesirable, and potentially unclean, I will refer to it as a “corruption.” (I will also alter the translation of the ESV’s “disease” to “corruption.”)

    Second, the owner of the house had to take the initiative when he suspected a corruption was present in his house (Lev. 14:35). In the case of the temple, we know it was Jesus’ “Father’s house” (John 2:16), and thus God the Father took the initiative.

    Third, the owner was to contact the priest and the priest was to “go in to see the house” and “examine the corruption” (Lev. 14:36–37). In John’s early account, Jesus “found” the corruption. We should think this was by chance; He was examining everything. In the later incident, we are specifically told by Mark that Jesus “looked around at everything” (Mark 11:11), the evening before He actually drove out the corruption. We earlier [see Jesus v. Jerusalem] discussed the idea of “visitation” as a special judgment-inspection in the oversight God had for His people. They were before His face continually, constantly subject to His scrutiny (Ex. 25:30; Deut. 11:12). Jesus incarnated this face, and set it toward the visitation of Jerusalem (Luke 9:51ff).

    Once the priest had seen the corruption, he was to shut up the house for a period of seven days, and then return to see if the corruption had spread. We do not see this played out exactly in the two separate incidents in the Gospels, but this seven-day period is there in John, as I will discuss in a moment. The two cleansings do, however, directly parallel the rest of the inspection process. ~ https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-v-Jerusalem-Commentary-Lawsuit/dp/1936577046
     
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  14. nolidad

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    Both of your links I hae no problem with. But as they do not address your earlier allegations that I am misquoting history, they are irrelevant to the topic we have been discussing.
     
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    To clarify: it's not what you're quoting about history that I have a problem with. I have never doubted the wall of separation existed. It's the original claim that you made that God had created that division. There is nothing to support that statement - but plenty of verses that show it's against God's nature/plan for there to be separation between any of God's followers worshipping Him.
     
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    Good post mk.
    The physical barriers/wall that existed in the 1st century were brought down in 70ad. Muslims, Christians and Jews can now live as neighbors in the City

    NIV) Ephesians:2
    14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

    19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit
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    Ephesians 2:14 Commentaries: biblehub

    Expositor's Greek Testament
    Ephesians 2:14. αὐτὸς γάρ ἐστιν ἡ εἰρήνη ἡμῶν: for He is our Peace. As most commentators notice, the emphasis is on the αὐτός—“He and no other”. But there is probably more in it than that. The selection of the abstract εἰρήνη, instead of the simple εἰρηνοποιός, suggests that the point of the αὐτός is not only “He alone,” but “He in His own person”. It is not only that the peace was made by Christ and ranks as His achievement, but that it is so identified with Him that were He away it would also fail,—so dependent on Him that apart from Him we cannot have it. And He is thus for us “the Peace” (ἡ εἰρήνη), Peace in the absolute sense to the exclusion of all other. Peace, the peace of the Messianic age, the peace that is to come by Messiah, is a frequent note in OT prophecy (Isaiah 9:5-6; Isaiah 52:7; Isaiah 53:5; Isaiah 57:19; Micah 5:5; Haggai 2:9; Zechariah 9:10).

    Here, as the next sentence shows, the peace especially in view is that between Jew and Gentile,—ὁ ποιήσας τὰ ἀμφότερα ἕν: who made both one. Not “hath made,” but “made,” with reference to the definite act of His death, as suggested by the ἐν τῷ αἵματι. The ἀμφότερα is the abstract neuter—the two parties or classes. The sing. neut. ἕν (= one thing, one organism) expresses the idea of the unity, the new unity which the two long separate and antagonistic parties became; cf. the ἕν used even of the relation between Christ and God in John 10:16, and for the unity here in view, cf. Romans 10:12; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:11.—καὶ τὸ μεσότοιχον τοῦ φραγμοῦ λύσας: and broke down the middle wall of the partition. The former clause began the explanation of how Christ became our Peace.
    That explanation is continued in this clause and in the following. The καί, therefore, is epexegetic = to wit, or in that (cf. Win.-Moult., p. 545). The gen. φραγμοῦ is not a mere equivalent to an adject. or a partic., as if = τὸ μεσότοιχον διαφράσσον (Grot., Rosenm., etc.), nor is it the gen. of quality, = “the middle wall whose character it is to divide”; but either (a) the appos. gen. or gen. of identity, = “the middle wall that is (or, consists in) the partition,” or (b) the posses. gen., = “the wall pertaining to the partition”. On the latter view of the gen. the μεσότοιχον (a word found only this once in the NT and of rare occurrence elsewhere) becomes the more definite and specific term, the φραγμός the more general, the former being, indeed, a part of the latter. That is to say, the φραγμός is the whole system of things that kept Jew and Gentile apart, and the μεσότοιχον is the thing in the system that most conspicuously divided them, and that constituted the “enmity,” viz., the Law. It is best, however, to take the terms μεσότοιχον and φραγμός in the simple, literal sense of division and separation, which are not explained to be the Law till the νόμος is actually introduced in the subsequent clause; and, therefore, the former view of the gen. appears to be preferable.

    It is suggested that what Paul really expresses then is the fact that the legal system, which was meant primarily to protect the Jewish people against the corruption of heathen idolatry, became the bitter root of Jewish exclusiveness in relation to the Gentiles. This is to give the φραγμός here the sense of something that fences in or encloses, which it occasionally has (Soph., Œd. Tyr., 1387). But that is a rare sense, and the idea seems to be simpler. It is doubtful, too, whether Paul had in view here any material partition with which he was familiar. It could scarcely be the veil of the Temple that was rent at the Crucifixion; for that veil did not serve to separate the Gentile from the Jew. It might rather be (as Anselm, Bengel, and many more have thought) the wall or screen that divided the court of the Gentiles from the sanctuary proper, and of which Josephus tells us that it bore an inscription forbidding any Gentile from penetrating further (Jew. Wars, v., 5, 2; vi., 2, 4; Antiq., viii., 3, 2; xv., 11, 5). But even this is questionable, and all the more so as the wall was still standing at the time when this was written. For the use of λύσας cf. John 2:19.

    Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
    14. he is our peace] “He:”—the glorious living Person gives its essence to the sacrificial Work.

    “Our peace:”—i.e., as the connexion indicates, the “peace” between the Tribes of the New Israel, the Gentile and Jewish believers; such peace that now, within the covenant, “there is neither Jew nor Greek” (Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:11). The special aspect of this truth here is the admission of the non-Jewish believer to the inmost fulness of spiritual privilege; but this is so stated as to imply the tender companion truth that he comes in not as a conquering intruder but as a brother, side by side with the Jewish believer, in equal and harmonious peace with God.

    who hath made both one] Lit., Who made both things one thing. “Both” and “one” are neuters in the Gr. The idea is rather of positions and relations than of persons (Monod).—“One:”—“one thing,” one community, or rather, one organism. (By the same word is expressed the Unity of the Father and the Son, John 10:30.) In Galatians 3:28 (“ye are all one”) the Gr. has the masculine, “one [person],” “one [man],” as expressly in the next verse here.

    hath broken down … partition] Lit., did undo the mid-wall of the fence, or hedge. The next verse makes it clear that this means the Law. In Divine intention the Law was a “hedge” (Isaiah 5:2) round the Old Israel, so long as their chief function was to maintain a position of seclusion. And it thus formed a “partition” between the Old Israel and the outer world, not only hindering but, for the time, forbidding such fusion as the new order brought in.

    It is possible that the phrase was immediately suggested by the demarcation between the Court of the Gentiles and the inner area of the Temple.
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    Bengel's Gnomen


    Ephesians 2:14. Αὐτὸς) He.[28] We have here Emphasis.[29]—ἡ εἰρήνη) peace, not merely, the peace-maker; for at the cost of Himself He procured peace, and He Himself is the bond of both (Israel and the Gentiles).—ὁ) Apposition: Peace; He who hath made, etc. A remarkable saying, Ephesians 2:14-18. He imitates poetry [canticum, a song of joy] by the very tenor of the words, and almost by the rhythm.—We have a description—(α.) the union of the Gentiles with Israel, Ephesians 2:14-15; and then (β.) the union of the Gentiles and Israel, as now one man, with God, Ephesians 2:15, middle of verse—Ephesians 2:18.

    The description of each is subdivided into two parts, so that the first may correspond to the first, concerning the enmity that has been taken away; the second to the second, concerning the ordinances of the Gospel.—τὰ ἀμφότερα, both) The neuter for the masculine, Ephesians 2:18 [οἱ ἀμφότεροι], properly, because ἓν, one [neuter], follows.—μεσότοιχον τοῦ φραγμοῦ, the partition wall of the fence [the middle wall of partition]) It is called τοῖχος, a wall, because the separating space between [Jews and Gentiles] was very strongly fortified; φραγμὸς, a fence, because it is easily removed at the proper time.

    The partition wall separates houses; the fence separates tracks of land; comp. Ephesians 2:19.[30] Therefore the distinction between circumcision and uncircumcision is hinted at. The very structure of the temple of Jerusalem was in conformity with it. The wall and the fence prevent an entrance; and the Gentiles were prevented from entering, inasmuch as they were not permitted to approach so near as the Israelites, even as those who were in the humblest rank.—λύσας, who hath broken down) Who hath broken down—who hath abolished, and not being repeated, very closely cohere.
    This short clause, and hath broken down, is explained in Ephesians 2:15, in the first half of the verse; He hath abolished the enmity in His flesh; comp. Ephesians 2:16, at the end. The law of commandments, which was properly adapted to the Israelites, He hath abolished, in the universal ordinances of grace;[31] comp. Ephesians 2:17, at the beginning of the verse.

    [28] He alone and pre-eminently.—ED.
    [29] See App. An addition to the ordinary meaning of a word, with the power of increasing its force on either side.
    [30] Where ξένοι refers to the separation of countries by the fence, φραγμὸς: παροικοι to the separation of houses by the μεσοτοιχος, or partition wall; to which are opposed respectively συμπολῖται and οἰκεῖοι.—ED.
    [31] But Engl. Vers. takes ἐν δόγμασιν with τῶν ἐντογῶν, “the law of commandments contained in ordinances.”—ED.
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    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD


    Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror. At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes.........................

    Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"
    After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory. There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection.
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    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19


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  17. nolidad

    nolidad Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Then why did God give those specific instructions i how to build the temple?
    Jesus visited many synagogues where all the women were segregated by lattices from the inner room where the men met. Jesus also worshipped and visited the temple many times! Yet not one word about this what you consider a travesty done by men to Gods plan!

    Why did God inspire Paul to tell women to submit to their husbands and why did god inspire Paul to instruct Timothy to not allow women to hold positions of leadership and teaching over the whole church and not just the women?
     
  18. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    God Inspired Paul to Declare the Gospel had been preached to the Whole World, All nations & indeed Every Creature under heaven in His day.

    God Inspired Paul to declare that the end of the ages had come upon Him and His contemporaries.

    God Inspired Paul to Declare the resurrection was, "about to take place" in his generation.

    Holding Up the Inspiration of Paul as evidence of why anyone must believe as you do about the role of Women in the Home and Church, when you demonstrably do not believe Paul was correct in making these other "God inspired" declarations, renders your argument moot.
     
  19. mkgal1

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    We've been asking you for verses showing where God gave instruction for the division wall between Jew and Gentile. I haven't seen where He ever did.
     
  20. nolidad

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    Well we know it had not reached the Celts, the Benelux nations, nor India nor china, nor what was to become Russia! In this case, the words whole world is in reference to the Empire of Rome! Context and history verify that!

    Well I can tell you about teh hope of the rapture and resurrection in all generations, but that was not doctrine but desire.

    Teh role of women is a didaskilos Paul instructed for all churches. He even said to those who are contentious about it- there is no other teaching in the church!

    Yes Paul thought it could happen in his life, but was not authoritative about it. ! Thess. 4:15-17 is a simple statement and not a doctrinal declaration showing the order in the rapture. Also if the Apostles did really think the end of the world would absolutely occur in their lifetime- they certainly were teaching like it wasn't they were more involved in establishing doctrine and order int he churches instead of running around saying Jesus is coming any minute now!

    And do you pick and choose what you wish to follow of Pauls declarative teachings?
     
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