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Featured Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, May 23, 2019.

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  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    If one looks at the Greek, there are actually 2 different Greek words used for "world"......

    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

    Colossians 1:6
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    that has come to you.
    All over the world<2889> this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood the grace of God.
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    if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

    Romans 10:18

    But I ask, did they not hear? Indeed they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the land<1093>, their words<5353> to the ends of the world<3625>."

    1 Timothy 3:16
    By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in world<2889>, was taken up in glory.

    OIKOUMENE (#3625) - (w00t!)


    3625. oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by implication, of 1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:--earth, world.

    #3625 mentioned 15 times
    oikoumenhV <3625> Luke 4:5, Romans 10:18, Reve 3:10, Reve 16:14.
    oikoumenh <3625> Matt 24:14, Luke 21:26, Acts 19:27
    oikoumenhn <3625> 8 times Luke 2:1, Acts 11:28, 17:6, 31, 24:5, Hebrew 1:6, 2:5, Reve 12:9.

    Used 3 times in Revelation:

    Rev 3:10
    “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world<3625>, to test those who dwell on the land<1093>.

    Rev 12:9
    So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world<3625>; he was cast to the land, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Rev 16:14
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    for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world<3625>, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

    King James Bible
    For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth<1093> and of the whole world<3625>, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

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    2889. kosmos kos'-mos probably from the base of 2865;
    orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively (morally)):--adorning, world.
    2885. kosmeo kos-meh'-o from 2889; to put in proper order, i.e. decorate (literally or figuratively); specially, to snuff (a wick):--adorn, garnish, trim. 2886. kosmikos kos-mee-kos' from 2889 (in its secondary sense); terrene ("cosmic"), literally (mundane) or figuratively (corrupt):--worldly. 2887. kosmios kos'-mee-os from 2889 (in its primary sense); orderly, i.e. decorous:--of good behaviour, modest. 2888. kosmokrator kos-mok-fat'-ore from 2889 and 2902; a world-ruler, an epithet of Satan:--ruler.

    G2889 matches the Greek κόσμος (kosmos), occurs 187 times in 152 verses

    Used 3 times in Revelation

    Rev 11:15
    Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms[fn] of this world<2889> have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

    Rev 13:8
    All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world<2889>.

    Rev 17:8
    “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world<2889>, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    Great post parousia!!!! :amen: :oldthumbsup:
     
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  2. nolidad

    nolidad Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Titus 2:1 All there does not mean EVERY, but all sorts or types (races) of men.
    World here is kosmos and is used often of the Roman Empire. We know from HIsotry that the gospel did not go inito england until the 3rd century, India until after 70AD. Southern Africa till later!

    So by the time of the diaspora, yes the bible had gone throughout the kosmos- the empire not the whole globe! That is not trying to realter the bible, but letting the bible speak for itself and verifying the specific use of the word by history of teh church!


    Well I applaud you for using the ancient language. That is key many times to understand context.

    But your error is in not fully piecing all things together and and understanding what is in context.
     
  3. nolidad

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    Ezekiel was carried away to Babylon- Gee He was writing about teh past and not the future?

    The Babylonian exile was for skipping the sabbath rests for the land.

    Daniel In Babylon in chapter 9 had his vision an dprophesy of Israel. You say teh prince of the people is Jesus. So when did Jesus make a 7 year treaty with Israel and forced the halt of sacrifices half way through. Someone hear said that was the new covenant- well the new covenant is eternal and not 7 years!

    So Yoyu like Ezekiel- so whow the Gog invasion in the latter times that will take place on the land of Israel?

    What you need to answer is the post exilic prophets I listed here. Also the fact that Israel was not scattered among the nations- but to Babylon! The other prophecies say8 ot the four corners of the earth! and all nations where god scattered them

    In 607-597 God sent them to Babylon alone! IN 66-135 AD God scattered the Jews throughout the empire and places rome was not the governing power!
     
  4. nolidad

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    First let us remember Jospehus is a great historian, but he is not a bleiver and the church saw fit to not canonize his works.




    all yo need to show is that the roman legions are called by God His prince and his people. He specifically called Nebuchadnezzar his servant- but that is not an all encompassing doctrine. If so then the Russian czars were Gods Servant. Adolf Hitler and His incinerators were gods servant!
     
  5. parousia70

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    "For thus saith the Lord, that after 70 years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you . . . and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations . . . and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive" (Jeremiah. 29: 10-14).

    When faced with deciding which of these two polar opposite statements is true and correct, that of the Inspired Prophet Jeremiah and that of Random 21st century Internet Guy nolidad, My money is on God's Holy Prophet.
     
  6. jgr

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    Josephus was a Jew who believed that the events and judgment that he witnessed were divinely ordained and orchestrated, confirming the parallel Scriptural accounts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. His historical accounts qualify him as a “believer” as they relate to the associated times and events.

    As a Jew, Josephus could easily have demonstrated a pro-Jewish bias in his reporting. In reality, his accounts are notable for their objectivity in describing the Jews own role in their own annihilation.

    As his accounts support Scripture, Josephus qualifies as a credible and legitimate historian.

    Please cite alternative Scripture of “all encompassing doctrine” that disproves what I've cited.

    Include the Scriptures that describe times and events in which the Russian czars and Adolf Hitler were used by God to accomplish His purposes.

    In addition, be more cautious when quoting from previous posts. Your quote in post 1064 contains what appears to be some of your own material embedded in mine.
     
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  7. nolidad

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    Well you brought in Nebuchadnezzar and his being used to punish the Jews. So why aren't the others. BTW Nebuchadnezzar became a gentile believer later on!

    Sp please show me and tell me who was the abomination of desolation standing in teh holy place that Jesus warned about?

    Please tell me who was the man who sat in the temple of God, declaring Himself he is God?

    Show me the Mark of the Beast?

    Show me when an angel flew around the globe warning people not to take the mark?
     
  8. nolidad

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    Well as god did not send them to allthe nations in 607-597 B.C. but to Jerusalem only- you erred because you cannot see dual prophecies.

    Jer. 29:

    10 For thus saith the Lord, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

    11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

    12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

    13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

    14 And I will be found of you, saith the Lord: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the Lord; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

    15 Because ye have said, The Lord hath raised us up prophets in Babylon;

    16 Know that thus saith the Lord of the king that sitteth upon the throne of David, and of all the people that dwelleth in this city, and of your brethren that are not gone forth with you into captivity;

    17 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will send upon them the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, and will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

    18 And I will persecute them with the sword, with the famine, and with the pestilence, and will deliver them to be removed to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a curse, and an astonishment, and an hissing, and a reproach, among all the nations whither I have driven them:

    19 Because they have not hearkened to my words, saith the Lord, which I sent unto them by my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them; but ye would not hear, saith the Lord.

    20 Hear ye therefore the word of the Lord, all ye of the captivity, whom I have sent from Jerusalem to Babylon:

    God only drove tehm to Babylon at this time-

    Not driven to multiple nations by the Lord at this tiem. Th eonly time Israel was driven by god directly to multiple nations was as a result of Israel committing the unpardonable sin and it began in 66A.D. and was finished in 135 A.D. when they plowed under Jerusalem and renamed it Syria Palestina!

    But tell me, when did this happen: God said He WOULD do it- so when did he do it?

    Jeremiah 30 King James Version (KJV)
    30 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

    2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

    3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

    4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

    5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

    6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

    7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

    8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

    9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

    10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

    or when did this?

    Jeremiah 31 King James Version (KJV)
    31 At the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.

    2 Thus saith the Lord, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

    3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

    4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

    5 Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.

    6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God.

    7 For thus saith the Lord; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O Lord, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

    8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

    9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

    10 Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

    When has Israel experienced this?

    Jer. 31:

    31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

    32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

    33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

    36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
     
  9. jgr

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    I brought in Nebuchadnezzar because Scripture brings in Nebuchadnezzar.

    I didn't bring in the others because Scripture doesn't bring in the others.

    You'd know the answer if you'd bother to read the posts. Luke 21:20.

    Nothing to do with 70 AD.
     
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  10. nolidad

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    and that is totally false!

    Luke 21:20 King James Version (KJV)
    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Matthew 24:15
    When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    Now look carefully at the two! I know you must think that because the word desolation appears in both, they are the same, but they are not!

    Luke- Jerusalem (which no Jew with an IQ above 3 would confuse with THE holy place) is SURROUNDED by armies.

    Matthew the abomination of desolation stands IN the holy place! SEE the difference?

    Also are you publicly declaring that this happened after what you declare (Matt 24:15 and Luke 21:20) are the same and they occurred already.

    Are you declaring to the world that the siege of Rome against Jerusalem is this:

    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    Nothing was worse than the siege of Jerusalem ever-or ever will be???? Believers already fled Israel so who are the elect back in 66-70 AD?

    So when does it have something to do with?
     
  11. bibletruth469

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    The OP question," did the event of 1948 Israel event fulfill any Bible prophecy"

    Yes! Look at Isaiah 66:8."who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? Or as soon as Zion travail she brought forth her children..

    Also,look at Ezekiel chapters 36 and 37, the valley of dry Bones.

    Scripture is true and prophecy has been fulfilled!
     
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  12. keras

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    Isaiah 66:7-14 refers to the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, that will be established in all of the holy Land, soon after that area is cleared and cleansed by the Lord. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
    It is impossible for the Jewish State of Israel to have fulfilled this prophecy. They took 50 years from proposal, in 1898 to declaring that State in 1948.
    They have not had the Blessings as described and many prophesies tell of their virtual demise and only a remnant will survive to join with their Christian brethren. Romans 9:27, Jeremiah 50:4-5

    BTW, pretty please: spell Israel correctly!
     
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  13. jgr

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    Explained previously, if you'd take the time to read the posts.

    Do you think Ezekiel's IQ was three or less?

    Ezekiel 21:2
    Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,

    They occurred in the period up to and including 70 AD.

    Do some serious reading of Josephus, if you dare. The combined physical and spiritual suffering of the Jews was, and ever will be, unequaled.

    Believers were the elect before they fled, and they continued to be the elect after they fled.
     
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    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    We know Josephus and the terrible pogroms of the Middle Ages, then the Holocaust of the Jewish people.
    But if you think they were the worst and the final punishment of Judah, then you are mistaken.
    There are more that 20 unfulfilled prophesies that describe the final 'swing of the Sword' onto Judah. Ezekiel 20:14 The Lord Himself will destroy them; only a remnant will survive, Romans 9:27
     
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    Every single Jew who was crucified by the Romans in 70 AD would have begged for a swing of the sword.
     
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    could you please include in your posts in the future at the opening - an "@" plus the person's screen-name to who you are addressing or responding to ?

    Such as combining an "@" to "Douggg" would result in @Douggg

    btw, when I first signed up, I tried to make "Doug" my screen name, but it was taken.

    Then I tried "Dougg". It was also taken.

    So I finally ended up with "Douggg"
     
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    It makes a person wonder about the evilness of man. I thought about what was at the cause of this form of intimidation. And what I came up with is - it is because men do not want to work, and want make other men to work for them, and to steal what others make or built.

    Which is why these empires enslaved other nations and peoples.
     
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    True. The lust for control and power.
     
  19. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    Terrible things have happened to the Jews. All as prophesied, that they would be profaned among the nations. Has anything changed?
    No: the Jews remain in rejection of Jesus, they rely on their own strength for their safety, Tel Aviv is touted as the gay capital of the world, etc, etc.
    Paul makes a good case against them in Romans 2:17-29 and plainly states that a true Jew is one who is circumcised of the heart. Very few Jews today would qualify for that.

    You and many Christians want to deny the truth of a forthcoming Judgment of the Jewish people. Those who call themselves Jews, whether they are true descendants of Judah or not.
    Jesus will swing His winnowing fork and those chaff will be burned up by His fiery wrath. Ezekiel 21:1-16
     
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    Will do! I am learning still. I have found now that if I just reply it does not say who I am repleting to , but if I quote it says who I am quoting. Will try to quote more.
     
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