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Featured Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, May 23, 2019.

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  1. claninja

    claninja Well-Known Member

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    Again more sidestepping from the issue that was brought up. You accused LLOJ of full preterism because of the belief the coming of judgment of Christ in 70ad. But it is not a violation for a partial preterist to post about the coming judgment of Christ in 70ad, in the eschatological forums per forum rules.
     
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  2. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    God's grace alone isn't sufficient for us?
     
  3. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Exactly. "A" judgment.
     
  4. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I didn't 'accuse', I suggested.
     
  5. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Did you/others happen to see this news article concerning the leader of Israel and the prophecy of Ezekiel 37? [I do browse other boards]

    Prophecies of Ezekiel 37

    I have a slightly different eschatological view of that concerning the 1st century 70ad holocaust, but the fact that a leader in Israel relates Ezek 37 to the WW2 holocaust is still amazing.

    Here is my view of it
    Lazarus and 2 witnesses of Reve 11 similarity

    I would say this is talking about both Judah and Israel

    Ezekiel 37:10
    So I prophesied as He commanded me and a breath/spirit came into them and they lived and they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.
    11 Then He said to me, "Son of adam, these bones are the whole house of Israel.

    Luke uses the same greek word #386 as used in Revelation 20:5 concerning the 1st Resurrection:

    Luke 2:34
    and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mariam his mother
    "behold!, this-one is set for the falling and resurrection/rising<386> of many in Israel, and for a sign spoken against--

    Revelation 11:11
    And after the three days and half-equal, a spirit/breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand/esthsan <2476> (5627) on their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them.

    Revelation 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones not live until should be being finished the thousand years.
    This the first Resurrection<386>
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    There is actually a thread on the holocaust.

    The Holocaust: Was it the wrath and judgment of God?
     
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  6. claninja

    claninja Well-Known Member

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    In post #630 you claimed LLOJ "expressed only full preterists opinions, WHICH IS A VIOLATION"

    Definition of accuse: claim that (someone) has done something wrong.

    Did you are did not you claim that LLOJ did something wrong in violation of forum rules?

    In post #630 you didn't seem to merely suggest the LLOJ might have done something or seemingly done something, you stated LLOJ did something in violation of forum rules.
     
  7. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    The post was a question, not an accusation. Evidence was presented to support the question.
     
  8. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I had heard that. It's baloney.
     
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  9. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Sufficient for some perhaps.

    God, speaking through John, wishes us health and prosperity. Who would turn that down to remain in sickness and poverty.
     
  10. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    But not for all?

    Where has He told us that His grace alone is not sufficient for all of us?

    Here's what Paul said earlier in 2 Corinthians:

    2 Corinthians 9:8
    And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

    Is that merely "sufficient for some"?
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Aren't Partial Preterist and Amills allowed to view 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation [as is the Olivet Disourse], as the End of the OC Mosaic and Temple worship/age?

    Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
    Matt 24:1

    Matthew 24:1

    And Jesus going out of the Temple
    Mark 13:1

    And of His going out<1607> of the Temple
    Luke 21:5

    and of some saying concerning the Temple

    Matt 24:3 "full end/consummation of the age"

    Matthew 24:3
    Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
    when shall these be being?
    and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952>
    and full-end<4930> of the Age?

    Mark 13
    and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully concluded<4931>.

    Luke 21
    And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?
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    Matthew 24:3
    and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952>
    and full-end<4930> of the Age?

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
    The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70

    http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/index.html


    Contemporary "Partial Preterist" View

    A.D.70
    A
    coming (parousia) of Christ
    A day of the Lord
    A judgment
    The end of the Jewish Age

    (Source: R.C. Sproul, Last Days)
    The Coming (parousia) of Christ

    Still Future

    The
    Day of the Lord
    The Resurrection of the dead
    The Rapture of the living
    The (final) Judgment
    The end of history
     
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  12. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Why do you say that?
     
  13. claninja

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    In post #630, You didn't provide any evidence. there was not even one supporting quotation of LLOJ's to substantiate your claim, that LLOJ had violated forum rules.


    From Post #630, this is a question, as it ends with a question mark:







    Now, From #630, this not a question, as did doesn't end with a question mark. This is an accusation, which by definition, is a claim that someone did something wrong:


    Additionally, the above quote of yours from post #630 is not evidence, it is an accusation that LLOJ violated forum rules based on your misunderstanding of partial preterism.



     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Hello claninja.

    Has anyone here seen anywhere on CF that explains CF's definition of "full preterism"?
     
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  15. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Full preterists believe all eschatology is fulfilled.

    Partial preterists, (or classical, orthodox preterists) on the other hand espouse exactly what you have espoused.

    Congratulations.
    You are a preterist.
     
  16. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    OWG said that Netanyahu's statement that Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled; was balony.
    I agreed with it.
    Just read that chapter to see that its obvious; the spiritual blessings have not happened, let alone the rejoining of the House of Judah, now occupying a small part of the holy Land and the House of Israel, still scattered among the nations. Who have, in the main, become Christians.
    They will all come together and live in all of the holy Land soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed the entire area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Jeremiah 50:3-4, Ezekiel 20:34-38
     
  17. parousia70

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    Ok, I’ll do so AGAIN.
    Do you believe John was correct in believing and teaching this, or do you assert John believed and taught this in error, that he was wrong?
     
  18. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    This is a nonsense statement.
    Believing in provable historical facts does not make one a preterist.
    It is when people believe in fulfilments that cannot be shown to have happened, that preterism shows its error.

    I see Preterism as a shameful avoidance of probable future difficulties. They simply can't see how the great Plan of God for His people will unfold for their eventual good.
     
  19. jgr

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    I see fantasy futuritis as a deplorable denial of proven past fulfillments. It simply can't see how the great Plan of God for His people has unfolded for their good and His glory in the completed accomplishments of His Son at Calvary.

    Daniel 9:24; Matthew 5:17,18; Mark 1:15; Luke 24:44; Acts 3:18; Acts 13:22,27,29,33
     
  20. ItIsFinished!

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    When has the mark of the beast ever been implemented in regards to the future prophecy??
     
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