Did Satan retain his Physical Beauty after sinning?

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Genesis 1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Read the rest of the account of creation
 
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do you think space is infinite? Like does God dwell in an infinite realm before he created heaven?
No it is not.

G-d is his dwelling place. G-d is all knowledge and all truth
You'll have to go back to the creation account

Before GOD created it was a soupy cosmos

GOD set a firmament. And divided the waters. And the waters above were called the heavens and the waters below were gathered up do that dry land appeared between the waters

It was water

I disagree. There was nothing before G-d said let their be light.

To suggest their was a soupy cosmo means that it was their before G-d acted upon it... scripture does not even begin to suggest that.
 
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No it is not.

G-d is his dwelling place. G-d is all knowledge and all truth


I disagree. There was nothing before G-d said let their be light.

To suggest their was a soupy cosmo means that it was their before G-d acted upon it... scripture does not even begin to suggest that.
Sorry I disagree Genesis 1 clearly says that the SPIRIT of GOD was over the waters

Water void darkness without form

Soupy nothing
(Maybe I shouldn't have said cosmos because the word brings to mind outer realm and that is not what I meant)
 
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Revelation 12 talks about the child brought forth and snatched up to his throne immediately

One day is as a thousand years to GOD

HE knows the end from the beginning

And HE chooses to reveal what HE chooses to reveal
 
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Sorry I disagree Genesis 1 clearly says that the SPIRIT of GOD was over the waters
It is exceedingly dangerous to view Bresheet as a chronological order of creation....

If you make the error of reading Genesis 1 then you do not have G-d as the omnipotent being he declares he is...

So if the earth and this soupy cosmos was already here.... that means that G-d did not create it. Because it was already here.

Here is where some of the great Rabbinical thinkers can be of help..... because after all, Genesis was written in Hebrew.
Rashi is on the Mt Rushmore of Rabbinical commentaries:

This verse calls for a midrashic interpretation [because according to its simple interpretation, the vowelization of the word בָּרָא, should be different, as Rashi explains further]. It teaches us that the sequence of the Creation as written is impossible, as is written immediately below] as our Rabbis stated (Letters of R. Akiva , letter “beth” ; Gen. Rabbah 1:6; Lev. Rabbah 36:4): [God created the world] for the sake of the Torah, which is called (Prov. 8:22): “the beginning of His way,” and for the sake of Israel, who are called (Jer. 2:3) “the first of His grain.” But if you wish to explain it according to its simple meaning, explain it thus: “At the beginning of the creation of heaven and earth, the earth was astonishing with emptiness, and darkness…and God said, ‘Let there be light.’” But Scripture did not come to teach the sequence of the Creation, to say that these came first, for if it came to teach this, it should have written:“At first (בָּרִאשׁוֹנָה) He created the heavens and the earth,” for there is no רֵאשִׁית in Scripture that is not connected to the following word, [i.e., in the construct state] like (ibid.) :“In the beginning of (בְּרֵאשִית) the reign of Jehoiakim” ; (below 10:10)“the beginning of (רֵאשִׁית) his reign” ; (Deut. 18:4)“the first (רֵאשִׁית) of your corn.” Here too, you say בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אלֹהִים, like בְּרֵאשִׁית בְּרֹא, in the beginning of creating. And similar to this is,“At the beginning of the Lord’s speaking (דִּבֶּר) to Hosea,” (Hos. 1:2), i.e., at the beginning of the speaking (דִּבּוּרוֹ) of the Holy One, Blessed be He, to Hosea, “the Lord said to Hosea, etc.” Now if you say that it came to teach that these (i.e., heaven and earth) were created first, and that its meaning is: In the beginning of all, He created these-and that there are elliptical verses that omit one word, like (Job 3:10): “For [He] did not shut the doors of my [mother’s] womb,” and it does not explain who it was who shut [the womb]; and like (Isa. 8:4): “he will carry off the wealth of Damascus,” and it does not explain who will carry it off; and like (Amos 6:12): “or will one plow with cattle,” and it does not explain: “if a man will plow with cattle” ; and like (Isa. 46: 10): “telling the end from the beginning,” and it does not explain that [it means] telling the end of a matter from the beginning of a matter-if so, [if you say that Scripture indicates the order of creation] be astounded at yourself, for the water preceded, as it is written: “and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the water,” and Scripture did not yet disclose when the creation of water took place! From this you learn that the water preceded the earth. Moreover, the heavens were created from fire and water. Perforce, you must admit that Scripture did not teach us anything about the sequence of the earlier and the later [acts of creation].

God’s creation of the heavens and the earth: But it does not say “of the Lord’s creation of” (i.e., it should say “of the Lord God’s creation of” as below 2:4 “on the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven”) for in the beginning it was His intention to create it with the Divine Standard of Justice, but he perceived that the world would not endure; so He preceded it with the Divine Standard of Mercy, allying it with the Divine Standard of Justice, and that is the reason it is written:“on the day the Lord God made earth and heaven.”

This is the view I take on Genesis 1:1-2 The key takeaway is that the Hebrew text makes clear that Genesis 1:1-2 CAN NOT be taken as a chronological order of creation because the Hebrew would be different if it were
 
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What about God being described in the likeness of Adam in Ezekiel?

Likeness is the attributes we have. Have you not read "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? Numbers 23:19
 
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It is exceedingly dangerous to view Bresheet as a chronological order of creation....

If you make the error of reading Genesis 1 then you do not have G-d as the omnipotent being he declares he is...

So if the earth and this soupy cosmos was already here.... that means that G-d did not create it. Because it was already here.

Here is where some of the great Rabbinical thinkers can be of help..... because after all, Genesis was written in Hebrew.
Rashi is on the Mt Rushmore of Rabbinical commentaries:

This verse calls for a midrashic interpretation [because according to its simple interpretation, the vowelization of the word בָּרָא, should be different, as Rashi explains further]. It teaches us that the sequence of the Creation as written is impossible, as is written immediately below] as our Rabbis stated (Letters of R. Akiva , letter “beth” ; Gen. Rabbah 1:6; Lev. Rabbah 36:4): [God created the world] for the sake of the Torah, which is called (Prov. 8:22): “the beginning of His way,” and for the sake of Israel, who are called (Jer. 2:3) “the first of His grain.” But if you wish to explain it according to its simple meaning, explain it thus: “At the beginning of the creation of heaven and earth, the earth was astonishing with emptiness, and darkness…and God said, ‘Let there be light.’” But Scripture did not come to teach the sequence of the Creation, to say that these came first, for if it came to teach this, it should have written:“At first (בָּרִאשׁוֹנָה) He created the heavens and the earth,” for there is no רֵאשִׁית in Scripture that is not connected to the following word, [i.e., in the construct state] like (ibid.) :“In the beginning of (בְּרֵאשִית) the reign of Jehoiakim” ; (below 10:10)“the beginning of (רֵאשִׁית) his reign” ; (Deut. 18:4)“the first (רֵאשִׁית) of your corn.” Here too, you say בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אלֹהִים, like בְּרֵאשִׁית בְּרֹא, in the beginning of creating. And similar to this is,“At the beginning of the Lord’s speaking (דִּבֶּר) to Hosea,” (Hos. 1:2), i.e., at the beginning of the speaking (דִּבּוּרוֹ) of the Holy One, Blessed be He, to Hosea, “the Lord said to Hosea, etc.” Now if you say that it came to teach that these (i.e., heaven and earth) were created first, and that its meaning is: In the beginning of all, He created these-and that there are elliptical verses that omit one word, like (Job 3:10): “For [He] did not shut the doors of my [mother’s] womb,” and it does not explain who it was who shut [the womb]; and like (Isa. 8:4): “he will carry off the wealth of Damascus,” and it does not explain who will carry it off; and like (Amos 6:12): “or will one plow with cattle,” and it does not explain: “if a man will plow with cattle” ; and like (Isa. 46: 10): “telling the end from the beginning,” and it does not explain that [it means] telling the end of a matter from the beginning of a matter-if so, [if you say that Scripture indicates the order of creation] be astounded at yourself, for the water preceded, as it is written: “and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the water,” and Scripture did not yet disclose when the creation of water took place! From this you learn that the water preceded the earth. Moreover, the heavens were created from fire and water. Perforce, you must admit that Scripture did not teach us anything about the sequence of the earlier and the later [acts of creation].

God’s creation of the heavens and the earth: But it does not say “of the Lord’s creation of” (i.e., it should say “of the Lord God’s creation of” as below 2:4 “on the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven”) for in the beginning it was His intention to create it with the Divine Standard of Justice, but he perceived that the world would not endure; so He preceded it with the Divine Standard of Mercy, allying it with the Divine Standard of Justice, and that is the reason it is written:“on the day the Lord God made earth and heaven.”

This is the view I take on Genesis 1:1-2 The key takeaway is that the Hebrew text makes clear that Genesis 1:1-2 CAN NOT be taken as a chronological order of creation because the Hebrew would be different if it were
I didn't say the earth was there I said waters

I'm not making any mistake.
When GOD creates the firmament and draws the waters above and calls it heaven and gathers the waters below so dry land appears
than you have land/earth

The WORD of GOD should not have been written any other way than the way it was written
 
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Literal waters? So there is an infinite lake beyond heaven?
What did HE call the waters above sir?

HE called them
Heavens

You don't get lakes above the firmament

Bodies of water are below the firmament just as HE designed them
To be
 
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