I asked for scripture and all you have given me are your assumptions and presuppositions and NOTHING else.
Here are some other clips that confirm that Mathew was believed to be written in Hebrew originally and was the first Gospel. Here also is an unedited clip of Epiphanius. Notice it is from Par 29 not 30.
Epiphanius, Heresy xxix.9.4 (Nazoraeans). They have the Gospel according to Matthew quite complete, in Hebrew: for this Gospel is certainly still preserved among them as it was first written in Hebrew letters. I do not know if they have even removed the genealogy from Abraham to Christ.
Irenaeus, Adv. Haer. 3.1.1
Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome and laying the foundations of the Church.
Origen as quoted by Eusebius, H.E. 3.24.6
As having learnt by tradition concerning the four Gospels, which alone are unquestionable in the Church of God under heaven, that first was written that according to Matthew, who was once a tax collector but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, who published it for those who from Judaism came to believe, composed as it was in the Hebrew language.
Eusebius, H.E. 3.24.6
Matthew had first preached to Hebrews, and when he was on the point of going to others he transmitted in writing in his native language the Gospel according to himself, and thus supplied by writing the lack of his own presence to those from whom he was sent.
I would be most interested in anyone showing me Jesus, or any apostle, commanding Christians to observe all the Mosaic feasts, festivals, dietary laws, etc. It is not there in the N.T. Read Acts 15.
Acts 15 is the instructions for New Pagan converts who were just new babes in the faith and turning to Yeshua. Th efour laws given are for the purpose of showing that they had turned from Pagan ways and to prepare them for being in the mixed company of other more mature believers and unsaved Jews in the synagogues where they would learn a great deal more. You seem to have skipped over the more troublesome verse as most Christains do.
[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: [20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Now lets look at a few other verses to see if the later church was maintaining a Jewish form.
Acts 21: [20] And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: [21] And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
The thing to see here is that they were believers and yet they and Paul were still keeping the law acording to the Temple Judaism of their time. The accusation that they were deviating from it or teaching anyone to stop keeping the law was a false accusation, and yet the church today continues to bring this same false accusation against paul, even though he proved himself innocent of such actions.
Acts 2: [45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. [46]
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
Did Paul teach from the law or did he say the law was no longer to be followed?
No Paul never said the law was cancelled. He continued to teach from the law.
1 Cor 14: [34] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience,
as also saith the law.
Paul ran his churches same as the synagogues.
1CO 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
This is a Torah issue. Comes from Levitcus
EPH 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. [2] Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; [3] That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Torah from the 10 Commandments
Acts 21: [24] Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
This Purification associated with the Nazarite vow requires sacrifices. It is all Torah.
Ro 3: [31]
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Ro 2: [13]
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which show the work
of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
2 Tim 3: [14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Timothy is being told to continue to be founded upon th etorah he learned as a child.
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Timothy was a Gentile and was raised in the Jewish home of his grandmother and therefore knew the scriptures from a Child. The scriptures here is the Old testament. There was no such thing as a New Testament at this time.
AC 16:1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: [2] Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
[3] Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.
Paul is keeping the feasts of God and so are the Gentiles of cornith under his instructions
Acts 20: [6] And we sailed away from Philippi after the
days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
Acts 18: [20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; [21] But bade them farewell, saying,
I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
1 Cor 5: 7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our aPassover also has been sacrificed.
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Therefore let us celebrate the feast, anot with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I hope you found the scriptures to be very interesting as you had hoped for. Paul taught from the law and kept the law and according to his own testimony never broke from keeping them and remained a Pharisee till the end. Do I also have to show you that Yeshua told us to keep the law and that anyone who breaks them and teaches others to break them will be the least in the Kingdom?
You are quoting Epiphanius at me which supposedly supports your Judaizing. Here is another quote from the same work which your chopped up quote from James Trimm conveniently left out.
If I were judaizing I would tell you to set aside faith in Messiah and to earn your own salvation. I have never suggested this at all. This discusion was about wether or not Yeshua wore Tallit wasn't it? I am ony trying to show that Yeshua remained faithful to the Jewish customs and therefore wold have worn a Tallit according to the acceptable fashion of his time.
As for your supposed correction of Ebionites that Trimm edited, you are mistaken.
The Ebionites are not the same as the Nazarenes. The different heresies are listed in sections what you quote is from Par 30, what I quoted is from Par 29. The entire list is pretty much anyone who was not strictly Catholic, that made you a Heretic. I would encourage you to quit basing your comments and opinions on the hearsay of others and look for original sources.
Wanna try to deconstruct my posts? Give it your best shot, dood.
Well, I have accepted your challenge as you can see and have totally deconstructed your post using scripture and historical documents from your own church fathers. Thee are a lot more scriptures that could be posted if I had the time and energy to do it.
Dispite all this rabbit tail the fact remains that the woman who was sick for 38 years touched the "Fringe of his Garment" and was healed, the very thing the Rabbis did for the sick at the time of Yeshua, to touch them with the Tzitzi on their Tallit.
