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???Jesus Christ addressed your question, but you refuse to accept it.
That doesn't talk about the inconsistency
God cannot give us a fair and right punishment - then, allow someone else to step in to take our place. He cannot even Himself step in and take our place. He undermines Himself.The inconsistency is our human failings.
I'd like to accept everything from Jesus and God - with an open heart.Confused-by-christianity, you refusing to accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ
That's not what I said....does not make it untrue, or null and void.
That's not what I said....The problem isn't with God or His plan.
That's possible....The problem is with you.
Thank you for this.This is one of the many questions regarding the atonement. The Eastern Church tends to say that Jesus ransomed us from death through His death and resurrection.Gregory of Nazianzus wrote:
Now we are to examine another fact and dogma, neglected by most people, but in my judgment well worth inquiring into. To Whom was that Blood offered that was shed for us, and why was it shed? I mean the precious and famous Blood of our God and High Priest and Sacrifice. We were detained in bondage by the Evil One, sold under sin, and receiving pleasure in exchange for wickedness. Now, since a ransom belongs only to him who holds in bondage, I ask to whom was this offered, and for what cause? If to the Evil One, fie upon the outrage! If the robber receives ransom, not only from God, but a ransom which consists of God Himself, and has such an illustrious payment for his tyranny, a payment for whose sake it would have been right for him to have left us alone altogether. But if to the Father, I ask first, how? For it was not by Him that we were being oppressed; and next, On what principle did the Blood of His Only begotten Son delight the Father, Who would not receive even Isaac, when he was being offered by his Father, but changed the sacrifice, putting a ram in the place of the human victim? Is it not evident that the Father accepts Him, but neither asked for Him nor demanded Him; but on account of the Incarnation, and because Humanity must be sanctified by the Humanity of God, that He might deliver us Himself, and overcome the tyrant, and draw us to Himself by the mediation of His Son, Who also arranged this to the honor of the Father, Whom it is manifest that He obeys in all things? So much we have said of Christ; the greater part of what we might say shall be reverenced with silence.
Thank you for the friendly mark.Confused-by-christianity, you refusing to accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ does not make it untrue, or null and void. The problem isn't with God or His plan. The problem is with you.
Thank you for the friendly mark.
I interpreted this quoted statement as aggressive.
Imbedded within it was the framing that I was refusing to accept God or Jesus and calling God's truth into question, something to be apathetic about or meaningless.
Was the statement not made out of aggression or frustration?
OK.The statement was made consisting of truth as I perceive it. My apologies if it offended.
Thank you for this.
This is the kind of answer that I will have to read over and over again to understand haha
So Jesus "ransomed"........
Jesus paid to death, what death required.
???
Have I understood that correctly?
I don't know."Did Jesus save us from God?" seems to be a common question/saying among those who believe in universal salvation.
But Romans 5:9 seems to indicate that's exactly what happened:
"Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him"
Seems lots of people think different things about what Jesus saving us on the cross means..."Did Jesus save us from God?"
In an earlier topic, the majority of Christian posters said they would not follow Jesus if there was no afterlife. What do you make of that?So much focus is on the negatives and not nearly enough on the positives of salvation.
In an earlier topic, the majority of Christian posters said they would not follow Jesus if there was no afterlife. What do you make of that?
I can understand this explaining a little easier.Yup! ...
Thats a weird question man. (I asked myself the same thing - different question, but same idea. I asked myself if I would love God even if I ended up in hell for eternity).In an earlier topic, the majority of Christian posters said they would not follow Jesus if there was no afterlife. What do you make of that?
I make of it this:What do you make of that?
“If Christ is risen, nothing else matters. And if Christ is not risen, nothing else matters.”
— Dr. Jaroslav Pelikan
"Did Jesus save us from God?" seems to be a common question/saying among those who believe in universal salvation.
But Romans 5:9 seems to indicate that's exactly what happened:
"Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him"
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