Did Jesus hold false beliefs?

[JohnClay]

Here is an article on "Answers in Genesis":
Did Jesus Hold False Beliefs? William Lane Craig Suggests So!

In Matthew 13:15 and John 12:40, Jesus is quoting Isaiah talking about "understanding with their hearts".

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head (or mind) that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

 

[Phil.Stein]

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

if jesus said that hearts can understand things, then hearts can understand things, although i think both 'heart' and 'mind' used in scripture did not necessarily refer to the physical 'heart' or physical 'head'.

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

i don't think god would go along with an inaccuracy because people weren't smart enough to get it right by themselves. look at jesus' comments to the saducees on resurrection, and marriage in heaven.

 

[JohnClay]

if jesus said that hearts can understand things, then hearts can understand things, although i think both 'heart' and 'mind' used in scripture did not necessarily refer to the physical 'heart' or physical 'head'....

Aristotle believed that thoughts come from the heart. If it doesn't refer to a physical heart, then what does it refer to? There is no evidence that the authors thought that the mind is inside the head.

 

[Phil.Stein]

Aristotle believed that thoughts come from the heart. If it doesn't refer to a physical heart, then what does it refer to? There is no evidence that the authors thought that the mind is inside the head.

that's sort of what i am saying. i'm not sure it does refer to a physical heart, anymore than it refers to a physical mind, but if it does, so what? is it not possible that thoughts do actually originate in the heart?

 

[WESTOZZIE]

If I asked you "What do you understand in your heart about God? " You might start to tell me some doctrines taught you in a book or college....That is head knowledge.

But heart knowledge is different.

Heb 11:3 by faith we understand the ages to have been prepared by a saying of God,

Faith to understand spiritual truth is given by the Holy Spirit to your spirit IF you have the Holy Spirit. This is how God teaches us. By His Spirit...and it is by the heart that we understand.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written: "EYE HAS NOT SEEN, NOR EAR HEARD, NOR HAVE ENTERED INTO THE HEART OF MAN THE THINGS WHICH GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
1Co 2:10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
1Co 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned(UNDERSTOOD).

This is why Jesus quoted Isaiah. As a nation Judah needed to be BORN AGAIN...regenerated by the Spirit..in their spirit.
Their head knowledge puffed them up with pride and caused them to be blind and deaf to spiritual truth.
Same with us all.

Jesus stands at the door of your heart and knocks--if any man hear Him knocking...(spiritual ears)and opens the door of their inner man...their heart...then Jesus comes in to your heart to live their by the faith He brings with Him.

 

[dysert]

Here is an article on "Answers in Genesis":
Did Jesus Hold False Beliefs? William Lane Craig Suggests So!

In Matthew 13:15 and John 12:40, Jesus is quoting Isaiah talking about "understanding with their hearts".

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

Did you ever have your heart broken? Did you ever have a heavy heart? How about heart-felt joy?

Good grief.

 

[Dave G.]

The heart spoken of in the bible doesn't pump blood. It's our spiritual heart and where the Holy Spirit dwells in us who are reborn of the spirit. It's what the term born again is about. We get a new spiritual heart and by the Holy Spirit, emotions and thoughts are fed now in a new way, the old has passed away. Someone who doesn't understand even this basic element of Christianity shouldn't be professing what Jesus did or did not know. Things of God surpasses our understanding and we walk in faith. It's not subject to common reason anyway.

 

[Radagast]

Did Jesus hold false beliefs?

No.

 

[tdidymas]

Here is an article on "Answers in Genesis":
Did Jesus Hold False Beliefs? William Lane Craig Suggests So!

In Matthew 13:15 and John 12:40, Jesus is quoting Isaiah talking about "understanding with their hearts".

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

"heart" in the Bible is a metaphorical term. All languages use metaphors commonly, and the scripture is no exception. The metaphor "heart" means the human spirit, or that part of the human mind that believes and makes assumptions about things. It may be called "subconscious mind" in modern terminology, although there may be some distinctions between them, as the exact definitions are debatable. In Romans 10, Paul writes "with the heart man believes unto righteousness..." so we know that belief in Christ is deeper than a mere mental acknowledgement. In the case of the term "heart" in the Bible, it is talking about the core of our life, from where base thoughts, beliefs, attitudes, emotions, and spontaneous actions arise.

I don't recommend listening to anyone who judges scripture to be false, or that Jesus or any of the apostles taught any error. Error is sin, or leads to sin. If Jesus believed error, then He had sin. But the Bible declares that Jesus was sinless. That would make the Bible having error in fundamental ideas, and that would render it untrustworthy. Jesus coming as human doesn't make Him subject to error. He was "apart from sinners." Therefore Craig's idea is wrong, and the Bible is trustworthy, and Jesus was sinless and without error.
TD

 

[Phil.Stein]

"heart" in the Bible is a metaphorical term. All languages use metaphors commonly, and the scripture is no exception. The metaphor "heart" means the human spirit, or that part of the human mind that believes and makes assumptions about things. It may be called "subconscious mind" in modern terminology, although there may be some distinctions between them, as the exact definitions are debatable. In Romans 10, Paul writes "with the heart man believes unto righteousness..." so we know that belief in Christ is deeper than a mere mental acknowledgement. In the case of the term "heart" in the Bible, it is talking about the core of our life, from where base thoughts, beliefs, attitudes, emotions, and spontaneous actions arise.

yup. if the bible was talking about physical hearts, circumcizion of the heart would take on a whole new meaning.

deut 10v12-16 “and now, israel, what does the lord your God require of you, but to fear the lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and to keep the commandments and statutes of the lord, which I am commanding you today for your good? behold, to the lord your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens, the earth with all that is in it. yet the lord set his heart in love on your fathers and chose their offspring after them, you above all peoples, as you are this day. circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn."

 

[Danoh]

Here is an article on "Answers in Genesis":
Did Jesus Hold False Beliefs? William Lane Craig Suggests So!

In Matthew 13:15 and John 12:40, Jesus is quoting Isaiah talking about "understanding with their hearts".

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

The (Very) HEART of The Matter...

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

In other words, the very heart or core of their reasoning was off.

The "heart" in such passages, refers to the very core of where one looks at things from that results in what one sees, or not, and or in his actions, or not.

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Hope that helps get you to...the very heart of the matter.

Rom. 5:6-8, in each - our stead.

 

[Taz Blue]

Did Jesus hold false beliefs?
NO

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

Do you love your wife with your heart or your head?

If (God forbid) your wife were to leave you or be taken from you in some other way, would you feel the pain and the loss in your head or in your head?

If a close friend suffers a great misfortune, do you empathise and feel for them with your heart or your head?

Hearts may or may not be able to think and reason but, they most definitely can and do both feel and understand.

 

[bcbsr]

Here is an article on "Answers in Genesis":
Did Jesus Hold False Beliefs? William Lane Craig Suggests So!

In Matthew 13:15 and John 12:40, Jesus is quoting Isaiah talking about "understanding with their hearts".

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

"The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." Rom 10:8-11

 

[Rubiks]

Jesus said he didn't know the hour of his return. I don't see why holding to false beliefs would be a problem.

 

[Rubiks]

Did Jesus hold false beliefs?
NO



Do you love your wife with your heart or your head?

If (God forbid) your wife were to leave you or be taken from you in some other way, would you feel the pain and the loss in your head or in your head?

If a close friend suffers a great misfortune, do you empathise and feel for them with your heart or your head?

Hearts may or may not be able to think and reason but, they most definitely can and do both feel and understand.

It's precisely because of language like this that grief in perceived in being in the heart in the first place.

 

[SolomonVII]

I am pretty sure Jesus is using heart in the same way we use heart when talking about such things. It is something to the effect of ‘the core of our being’.
Brain is not the extent of our mental processing either. Much of our understanding is processed much deeper, in the spinal neural systems, and endocrine systems too. We do in effect understand things with our hearts as a full body understanding, even at the most reductive, scientific level.
That being said, no, Jesus did not talk from a scientific world view. He was a historic figure who talked from the understandings of his times. Scientific terms cannot be the context we use to judge the import of his words.

 

[expos4ever]

No offense intended, but are you serious? Even today we use the metaphor of the heart being the seat of certain mental qualities like love and empathy.

 

[anna ~ grace]

Here is an article on "Answers in Genesis":
Did Jesus Hold False Beliefs? William Lane Craig Suggests So!

In Matthew 13:15 and John 12:40, Jesus is quoting Isaiah talking about "understanding with their hearts".

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

No, hon. Sometimes you know something deeply in your heart, even if words fail you.

 

[PloverWing]

So, a couple of points in response.

1) I agree with the previous posters who have pointed out that phrases like "I love you with all my heart" and "Deep in my heart, I know it's true" are metaphors that are still in use today. Don't get overly literal in dissecting a metaphor.

2) The early church rejected the idea that Jesus had the mind of God in a human body; the church asserted instead that Jesus, to be fully incarnate, had to have had a human mind as well as a human body. We human beings have limitations in our knowledge, and that is part of what Jesus took on for us, in the process of redeeming us. (One discussion of the idea that Jesus had a divine mind in a human body, called Apollinarianism, appears here: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Apollinarianism)

3) It's important to note that an honest mistake is not sin. Lying is saying something that I know isn't true, with intent to deceive. If I say something that I believe to be true, even though I am mistaken, I have not lied. I'm not sure that Simon Turpin is careful enough about this in the article that the OP linked to.

 

[RDKirk]

Here is an article on "Answers in Genesis":
Did Jesus Hold False Beliefs? William Lane Craig Suggests So!

In Matthew 13:15 and John 12:40, Jesus is quoting Isaiah talking about "understanding with their hearts".

Did Jesus know that hearts can't understand things and that it is the head that understands things?

If so, did he just let people wrongly believe that their hearts could understand things because he didn't want to confuse them?

If you look at most weather sites, weather apps, calendar apps, et cetera, you're bound to see the times for "sunrise" and "sunset."

Now, all those folks know that the earth rotates and that the sun does not actually "rise" or "set" relative to the earth. But they still say "sunrise" and "sunset."