Did Jesus die only for the sheep (cf. John 10)?

[ClementofA]

1. Did Jesus die "only" for the sheep (cf. John 10)?

2. Did Jesus die to save none but the sheep (cf. John 10)?

3. Who are the sheep?

4. Will all become sheep?

Jesus tasted death for everyone (Heb.2:9, etc).

Did Jesus die “only” for “our (the sheep’s) sins”, or also for the whole world:

and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. (1 Jn.2:2)

Jesus said He came to save the world (Jn.3:17). So He didn’t come just to save a few lucky ones that He randomly selected to win the Calvinist lottery.

If Jesus dying for the sheep meant “only” for the sheep, then shouldn’t John being the “one Jesus loved” mean Jesus “only” loved John and not Peter or the world (Jn.3:16):

So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” (John 20:2). For God so loved the world (Jn.3:16a).

Paul says the Lord will “save me”. Does that mean “only” Paul will be saved? No. And neither does Jesus saying He will lay down His life for His sheep mean He died “only” for the sheep. If Jesus wanted to limit the number of people that His death was for, He could have easily done so. Yet nowhere in the Scriptures do we see that. Quite the contrary, in fact.

 

[Rescued One]

Some of the sheep aren't white sheep. The sheep are the ones who know His voice and follow Him. They are all over the world, not just in one country

John 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

 

[redleghunter]

John 10:27-30
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. “I and the Father are one.”

 

[Not David]

Is this another post promoting universalism?

 

[Jenniferdiana]

i think whoever believes and come to him is how many he died for, so even if only three people believed and came to him, then he died for only those three people..get it, got it, good...haha jk

 

[MDC]

1. Did Jesus die "only" for the sheep (cf. John 10)?

2. Did Jesus die to save none but the sheep (cf. John 10)?

3. Who are the sheep?

4. Will all become sheep?

Jesus tasted death for everyone (Heb.2:9, etc).

Did Jesus die “only” for “our (the sheep’s) sins”, or also for the whole world:

and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. (1 Jn.2:2)

Jesus said He came to save the world (Jn.3:17). So He didn’t come just to save a few lucky ones that He randomly selected to win the Calvinist lottery.

If Jesus dying for the sheep meant “only” for the sheep, then shouldn’t John being the “one Jesus loved” mean Jesus “only” loved John and not Peter or the world (Jn.3:16):

So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” (John 20:2). For God so loved the world (Jn.3:16a).

Paul says the Lord will “save me”. Does that mean “only” Paul will be saved? No. And neither does Jesus saying He will lay down His life for His sheep mean He died “only” for the sheep. If Jesus wanted to limit the number of people that His death was for, He could have easily done so. Yet nowhere in the Scriptures do we see that. Quite the contrary, in fact.

So why ask when it’s obvious that you disagree with scriptures that Christ came to save His people ( the elect, sheep) from their sins only? Matthew 1:21.

 

[ClementofA]

So why ask when it’s obvious that you disagree with scriptures that Christ came to save His people ( the elect, sheep) from their sins only? Matthew 1:21.

I'm interested in how people understand John 10, in particular what the OP says & asks about it. Though forums often fail to provide any substantial answers to questions.

 

[Rescued One]

Is this another post promoting universalism?

Those were my thoughts also.

 

[redleghunter]

I'm interested in how people understand John 10, in particular what the OP says & asks about it. Though forums often fail to provide any substantial answers to questions.

I think John 10 is quite clear. Jesus told some they were not His sheep and then explained what it is to be one of His sheep. He made a concrete division.

 

[Tolworth John]

Did Jesus die "only" for the sheep ?
2. Did Jesus die to save none but the sheep ?
3. Who are the sheep?

Read John 3:16 -18.
Jesus died to deal with the consquences of our sin.

It is not a case of how much rightousness was used to deal with so much sin, but a case of an infinite God dealing with a finite amount of sin.

As John3:16-18 teaches it is our belief in Jesus that saves or the lack of that has already condemned.

Don't get bogged down with pictures.

 

[MDC]

Read John 3:16 -18.
Jesus died to deal with the consquences of our sin.

It is not a case of how much rightousness was used to deal with so much sin, but a case of an infinite God dealing with a finite amount of sin.

As John3:16-18 teaches it is our belief in Jesus that saves or the lack of that has already condemned.

Don't get bogged down with pictures.

Christ and His merits save the believing (sheep). Our belief doesn’t make Christ and His merits that saves efficacious. Our belief is the result of being saved by Gods grace. Not the cause or basis for being saved. John 10 is very clear about this

 

[1213]

....Paul says the Lord will “save me”. Does that mean “only” Paul will be saved? No. And neither does Jesus saying He will lay down His life for His sheep mean He died “only” for the sheep. If Jesus wanted to limit the number of people that His death was for, He could have easily done so. Yet nowhere in the Scriptures do we see that. Quite the contrary, in fact.

I think salvation is offered to all, but only his “sheep” will receive it. Others don’t accept it, they reject it and it is not useful for them. And only those who are righteous will have eternal life.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46