Did Jesus come to establish a religion called, "Christianity", or The Order of Melchizedek?

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Just being Socratic.

OP question: Did Jesus come to establish a religion called, "Christianity", or The Order of Melchizedek?

Both & much more!

Jesus came to redeem mankind from it's due punishment (DEATH) for sin against a sovereign creator God's rule.

A sinless Christ paid heavens required wage for sin. In doing so He defeated the usurper/satan, was ordained to an eternal priesthood after the order of Melchizedek, reconciled ALL that trust in His sin atoning death, burial & resurrection, forming what's known as the Body of Christ/Church/Christianity to name a few.
 
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Jesus did not come to establish his own religion following a different God, but rather he came to bring fulness to Judaism as the Jewish Messiah in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. He practiced Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah and spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, so all Christians were Torah observant Jews for roughly the first 7-15 years after Christ's resurrection up until the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10, which means that Christianity at its origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its prophesied Messiah.
Thereby giving the NT Church time to get set up and established before Paul's conversion, the bringing in of the Gentiles,
and Paul's revelation from Jesus personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5), regarding
the setting aside of the Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13),
the abolishing of the law with its commandments and regulations (Eph 2:14-15), and
justification (right standing with God's justice) apart from law-keeping (Ro 3:21, 28, 4:5).
 
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Religions are ways of life.
Imposed, not natural

The religion that God instituted is a way of life built upon His governance.
Actually man instituted it as a way to represent self as God's governance... as God knew we would. But it was/is a great way to have humans forward scripture while building and following their own doctrines, especially once the Jews were scattered into near oblivion. Institutions of man are safe among other institutions of man. A way of life that runs contrary to the ways of man is not.
 
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Thereby giving the NT Church time to get set up and established before Paul's conversion, the bringing in of the Gentiles,
and Paul's revelation from Jesus personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5), regarding
the setting aside of the Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13),
the abolishing of the law with its commandments and regulations (Eph 2:14-15), and
justification (right standing with God's justice) apart from law-keeping (Ro 3:21, 28, 4:5).

In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone was a false prophet who was not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying the Mosaic Law, so God simply did not give His people any room to do that, and if Paul had tried to do that, then those who rejected what he said would be acting in accordance with what God has instructed us to do, but the reality is that Paul was a servant of God, so he never did that. In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law, so while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, God's eternal law did not become obsolete along with it.

In Ephesians 2:10, we have been made new creations in Christ in order to do good works, so it would make sense to interpret 2:15 as saying that Jesus abolished his laws for how to do good works, especially when he specifically said in Matthew 5:17-19 that he came not to abolish God's law and warned against relaxing the least part of the law. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 110:160), so none of them will ever be abolished, so Ephesians 2:15 couldn't be referring to any of God's laws. God did not make any mistakes when He gave the law, so He had no need to send Jesus to abolish His own eternal laws. Furthermore, God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves, so I'm not seeing a good reason to interpret Ephesians 2:14-15 as referring to God's law.

We can obey God's law for reasons other than trying to earn our justification, especially because it was never given as a means of doing that, so verses that speak against doing that should not be mistaken as speaking against our justification requiring our obedience to for some other reason, such as faith. In Romans 3:21-4:5, it speaks against earning our salvation as a wage, but Paul did not want us to conclude that our faith abolishes our need to obey the Mosaic Law, but rather he said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds it.

While Abraham believed God, so he was justified, it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac, so the same faith by which he was justified was also expressed as obedience to God, but he did not earn his justification by his obedience (Romans 4:4-5). In James 2:21-22, Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, his faith was active along with his works and his faith completed his works, so he was justified by his works insofar as they were an expression of his faith, but not insofar as they were an attempt to earn his justification. In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only doers of the Mosaic Law will be justified, which again is true insofar as the same faith by which we are justified is also expressed as obedience to the law while we do not earn our justification by being a doer of the Mosaic Law.
 
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There is nothing in the definition of "religion" that specifies that they are mankind's desire to create and worship a God of their choosing, that it focuses on outward aspects of human life, or that it is not in regard to true life and worship of the True God. Jesus practiced Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah, and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so he taught how to practice Judaism both by word and by example, and no other person has been more religious than him. Jesus came to show mankind who God really did through his works in sinless obedience to the Torah (John 14:6-11). If God were not pleased by our rituals and ceremonies, then He wouldn't have commanded them, and He certainly in not please by our disobedience to what He had commanded.

I am not speaking of the *literal definition of religion, rather what it actually is. Take the world's religions and you can point out each and every statement I made about them.

Jesus did not "practice" Judaism. He never broke the law and He was sinless, but that does not mean He practiced Judaism. If He had, they would not have been so upset at Him many times. :)

Jesus came to die for mankind. While doing that He fulfilled the law and showed us how to worship God.

God is not 'pleased' in our rituals and ceremonies. Read through the Old Testament Prophets and tally up the number of times God is pleased with humans rituals/ceremonies, and how many times He is displeased with them. When you get done, go back and study the ones where He is pleased, and you will find they are not what you would really consider a ritual or ceremony.

What is literally amazing to me is how the "Christian" religion has put together so many of them and actually believes that God commanded them. There are no rituals or ceremonies that are commanded by God or Christ for the Church.
 
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I see that if one compares all Scripture about the Melchizedec priesthood Heb. 5:6 with 1 Peter 2:5 & 9, one might see that it speaks of both aspects of the "high calling of God" stated as to the Holy and Royal aspects of the saint's ministry ---"holy and royal priesthood". The first as unto and before God, and the second more toward all around us as ministers of Christ in righteousness and goodness. This was the nature of Melchizedec. One might see the Concise Bible Dictionary too. I hope this helps.
 
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In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone was a false prophet who was not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying the Mosaic Law, so God simply did not give His people any room to do that, and if Paul had tried to do that, then those who rejected what he said would be acting in accordance with what God has instructed us to do, but the reality is that
Paul
was a servant of God, so he never did that.
See Eph 2:14-16.
In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law, so while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete,
God's eternal law did not become obsolete along with it.
The Decalogue was not made obsolete and remains in the NT (Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10).
Because the priesthood was changed, the law had to be changed (Heb 7:12).
The Law was established by the priesthood, when the priesthood changes, the Law changes.
Since the priesthood and the Law go together, Christ being made the new priesthood, also makes him the new Lawgiver,
transferring to him the office of Aaron and Moses.
In Ephesians 2:10, we have been made new creations in Christ in order to do good works, so
it would make sense to interpret 2:15 as saying that Jesus abolished his laws for how to do good works,
It makes sense just the way it is written, doesn't need any massaging by anyone.
especially when he specifically said in Matthew 5:17-19 that
he came not to abolish God's law and warned against relaxing the least part of the law.
He said he came to fulfill it, which he did regarding the sacrifices and the cleansings of all the various defilements.
Being fulfilled/completed, they are now all abolished (Eph 2:14-16).
All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 110:160), so none of them will ever be abolished, so
Ephesians 2:15 couldn't be referring to any of God's laws.
Except that the language clearly states that they are. You get to decide whether to believe
the revelation Paul received from Jesus personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5)
God did not make any mistakes when He gave the law,
So the sacrifices were a mistake, or are they still offering animal sacrifices over at your church?
so He had no need to send Jesus to abolish His own eternal laws. Furthermore,
God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves, so I'm not seeing a good reason to interpret Ephesians 2:14-15 as referring to God's law.
Does the text state that was God's purpose?
We can obey God's law for reasons other than trying to earn our justification, especially because it was never given as a means of doing that, so verses that speak against doing that should not be mistaken as speaking against our justification requiring our obedience to for some other reason, such as faith. In Romans 3:21-4:5, it speaks against earning our salvation as a wage, but Paul did not want us to conclude that our faith abolishes our need to obey the Mosaic Law, but rather he said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds it.
While Abraham believed God, so he was justified, it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac, so the same faith by which he was justified was also expressed as obedience to God, but he did not earn his justification by his obedience (Romans 4:4-5). In James 2:21-22, Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, his faith was active along with his works and his faith completed his works, so he was justified by his works insofar as they were an expression of his faith,
Paul makes it clear that no one is justified by his works, no one is declared "not guilty," nor made right with God's justice, by his works,
includng Abraham (Ro 4:2-8). Works is apart from justification (Ro 3:21, 28).
but not insofar as they were an attempt to earn his justification. In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only doers of the Mosaic Law will be justified, which again is true insofar as the same faith by which we are justified is also expressed as obedience to the law while we do not earn our justification by being a doer of the Mosaic Law.
 
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Just being Socratic.
The end of the Old Covenant is Aronic. The New Covenant is in the order of Melchilzedek, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Belivers follow their King and are in His Body and those in His Body are commonly referred to as Christians. So one in the same. Be blessed.
 
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See Eph 2:14-16.

If you think that is what Paul was doing in Ephesians 2:14-16, then according to God, you should regard him as being a false prophet, but the reality is that Paul was not a enemy of God, so that is not what he was doing.

The Decalogue was not made obsolete and remains in the NT (Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10).
Because the priesthood was changed, the law had to be changed (Heb 7:12).
The Law was established by the priesthood, when the priesthood changes, the Law changes.
Since the priesthood and the Law go together, Christ being made the new priesthood, also makes him the new Lawgiver,
transferring to him the office of Aaron and Moses.

In Matthew 22:36-40, all of the Law and the Prophets hangs on the greatest two commandments, not just the Decalogue, so it is all connected and all of it remains in the NT. It the way to testify about God's nature were to change when the New Covenant was made, then God's nature would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 is not speaking about a change of the law in regard to its content such as it now becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, but rather in context it is speaking about a change in the priesthood, which would also require a change in law in regard to its administration. The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching how to obey it by word and by example, so Jesus did not have any disagreement about which laws we should follow.

It makes sense just the way it is written, doesn't need any massaging by anyone.

I agree that what was written makes sense, but what does make sense is interpreting what was written as referring to God's law. Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, such as the Law of God, the law of sin, and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was speaking about, and if you just assume that he was only speaking about the Law of God, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand what he was saying. For example, in Romans 3:27, he contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 7:25, he contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin. So rather then just assuming this passage is referring to the Law of God, you need to give reasons to justify that interpretation and reasons why you reject that reasons that I gave for why this passage couldn't be referring to the Law of God.

He said he came to fulfill it, which he did regarding the sacrifices and the cleansings of all the various defilements.
Being fulfilled/completed, they are now all abolished (Eph 2:14-16).

Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast to saying that he came not to abolish it, so you shouldn't interpret that as meaning essentially the same thing. Rather, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law by teaching us how to correctly obey it by word and by example. In Galatian 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something that only Jesus did. Likewise, in Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, yet you don't consistently interpret that as abolishing it. Saying that Jesus abolished the law is calling him a liar and disregarding his warning. Likewise, in Romans 3:31, Paul confirmed that our faith does not abolish the law, but rather our faith upholds yet, yet your faith does not uphold it, and you are trying to say it had been abolished.

Except that the language clearly states that they are. You get to decide whether to believe
the revelation Paul received from Jesus personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5)

Except that you are clearly assuming that it is referring to God's law without giving any sort of justification while ignoring reasons for why it couldn't be referring to God's law. While I believe the revelation Paul received, I also believe that Paul never spoke against obeying any of God's laws, but if you think that Paul did that, then that would mean that Paul was a false prophet who did not receive a revelation from Jesus.

So the sacrifices were a mistake, or are they still offering animal sacrifices over at your church?

I specifically said that God did not make any mistakes when He gave the law.

Does the text state that was God's purpose?

There is nothing in the Bible that states that God's law was given for the purpose of being a dividing wall of hostility, yet this verse is describing a law that is a dividing wall of hostility, which means that should interpret this verse as referring to a law that is a dividing wall of hostility rather than to God's law.

Paul makes it clear that no one is justified by his works, no one is declared "not guilty," nor made right with God's justice, by his works,
includng Abraham (Ro 4:2-8). Works is apart from justification (Ro 3:21, 28).

In James, 2:21, Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, so either he was contradicting Paul in Romans 3:21-4:8 or they are not speaking the same type of works. In Romans 4:4-5, Paul specifically denied that our justification is something that can be earned as though it were a wage, but that is not denying that works play a necessary role in our salvation for some other purpose such as faith because he said in Romans 2:13 that only doers of the Mosaic Law will be justified. So we are justified by faith alone apart from works insofar as there are no works that we can do to earn our salvation, but faith is never alone insofar as the same faith by which we are justified is also expressed as works. If works played no role in our justification, then our faith would abolish our need to obey God's law, however, in Romans 3:31, Paul did not want us to draw that conclusion, but rather he concluded that our faith upholds God's law. In James 2:21-22, he was speaking about Abraham being justified by his works insofar as they were an expression of His faith, but he was not speaking about Abraham earning his justification by his works.
 
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I am not speaking of the *literal definition of religion, rather what it actually is. Take the world's religions and you can point out each and every statement I made about them.

"Man-made" is not part of the definition of "religion" because it would be defining religions that claim to be instituted by God as false.

Jesus did not "practice" Judaism. He never broke the law and He was sinless, but that does not mean He practiced Judaism. If He had, they would not have been so upset at Him many times. :)

The way to practice Judaism is by obeying the Mosaic Law and Jesus obeyed the Mosaic Law, so I don't see how you can deny that means he practiced Judaism. The fact that Jesus disagreed with some people about how to correct practice Judaism does not mean that either Jesus or those people did not practice Judaism.

Jesus came to die for mankind. While doing that He fulfilled the law and showed us how to worship God.

God is not 'pleased' in our rituals and ceremonies. Read through the Old Testament Prophets and tally up the number of times God is pleased with humans rituals/ceremonies, and how many times He is displeased with them. When you get done, go back and study the ones where He is pleased, and you will find they are not what you would really consider a ritual or ceremony.

Psalms 51:16-19 For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it; you will not be pleased with a burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise. 18 Do good to Zion in your good pleasure; build up the walls of Jerusalem; 19 then will you delight in right sacrifices, in burnt offerings and whole burnt offerings; then bulls will be offered on your altar.

If God weren't please by our rituals and ceremonies, then He would never have commanded them in the first place, and he certainly is not pleased by our disobedience to His commands. The above verses are not speaking against God being pleased by sacrifices because they clearly state that God delights in right sacrifices, so the issue is what what God is pleased by is not the slaughtering of animals itself, but by what the sacrifices signify about the condition of the heart of the person offering them. The root work for "offering" means "to draw close". The book of Exodus ends with the glory of God descending on the tent of meeting and with the problem of no one being able to draw close, while Leviticus begins with God calling out instructions for how to draw close to him, so if someone had offered a sacrifice without repenting and drawing close to God, then they would have been missing the whole point

What is literally amazing to me is how the "Christian" religion has put together so many of them and actually believes that God commanded them. There are no rituals or ceremonies that are commanded by God or Christ for the Church.

Do you deny that Christ followed rituals and ceremonies or that Christians should follow Christ's example? Do you deny that baptism and communion are part of Christianity? The Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" and is used in Acts 7:37 and many times in the Septuagint to refer to Israel in the wilderness, so everything that was commanded by God in the OT was commanded to the Church and Christ was not in disagreement with anything that the Father commanded.
 
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If we can't call what Jesus established a religion or religious system then what can we plausibly call it? Some want the message of the Gospel to be unique and that's why they seem to fear this label of religion, since it puts Christianity into a category of which it comprises only one aspect of the religions here on earth. Part of the goal of Christianity was to supplant hostile religions and bring erroneous worship to idols/false gods to the true God and with that came to a competing system of beliefs/practices to those done by Pagans. I don't know how you can avoid classifying Christianity as a competing religious system. The Apostles weren't unorganized and nor did they consider administration of the Church above their station.

This doesn't detract from Christianity's value, it doesn't ruin the mystique, but it does make it more relatable. It points out that Christianity is not merely a belief system (a philosophy) but a way of life with proscribed patterns of behavior, including moral actions or worship. I would also point out, that if we believe in the foreknowledge of God and that he knew what the Church was going to be like (a religion), then it would follow from the subsequent establishment of what Christ founded that yes, God always intended to found a religion in Christ. A religion in continuity with what came before it, but something new nonetheless.
 
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You might read Hebrews 5,6 and 7 to also correct your thinking on what following him means.

I smile at your turn of phrase... "correct your thinking... !!!

Sadly you are making assumptions without knowing me.

We have One teacher and we are all brothers.

State your case is better than putting others down.
 
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The greek is Zoe Anionious - The Life of the Ages.
If you want to be academic about it. Most don't -
They want to fantasize about 'Life in Heaven after you die physically'.
I like the original.

The literal rendering of the Greek is 'Life Eternal' I am sure other Greek scholars will confirm this.
 
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The way to practice Judaism is by obeying the Mosaic Law and Jesus obeyed the Mosaic Law, so I don't see how you can deny that means he practiced Judaism. The fact that Jesus disagreed with some people about how to correct practice Judaism does not mean that either Jesus or those people did not practice Judaism.

If God weren't please by our rituals and ceremonies, then He would never have commanded them in the first place, and he certainly is not pleased by our disobedience to His commands. The above verses are not speaking against God being pleased by sacrifices because they clearly state that God delights in right sacrifices, so the issue is what what God is pleased by is not the slaughtering of animals itself, but by what the sacrifices signify about the condition of the heart of the person offering them. The root work for "offering" means "to draw close". The book of Exodus ends with the glory of God descending on the tent of meeting and with the problem of no one being able to draw close, while Leviticus begins with God calling out instructions for how to draw close to him, so if someone had offered a sacrifice without repenting and drawing close to God, then they would have been missing the whole point

Do you deny that Christ followed rituals and ceremonies or that Christians should follow Christ's example? Do you deny that baptism and communion are part of Christianity? The Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" and is used in Acts 7:37 and many times in the Septuagint to refer to Israel in the wilderness, so everything that was commanded by God in the OT was commanded to the Church and Christ was not in disagreement with anything that the Father commanded.

There is a difference between obeying God's commandments while fulfilling the law, and "practicing" a religion. His life here was not about religion.

Even if you wanted to say He practiced Judaism, where do you draw the line in determining who is actually practicing a particular religion or not? If they follow all of the rules? 2/3rd's? Maybe if they at least attempt to do 1/2? of the teachings? What about the people who add to the particular religion? Are they then practicing the same religion as the person who holds to a different set of rules?

God commanded the rituals/ceremonies for two specific purposes. The first was to show His plan in Christ. The second was to increase the 'trespass', to hold mankind captive.

I deny that Christ set up any ritual or ceremony. Baptism is so misunderstood and misused because it was turned into a ritual/ceremony. We see it happen this way all the way back when John was baptizing. Just like the Scribes/Pharisees had no clue about it when they came to 'do the ritual/ceremony', and John called them out on it, so too the same evil nature has poisoned the meaning of it up to the day we live in.

Communion is another one that was meant for something and then turned into a ritual/ceremony. It was not set up to be such. Jesus said "as often as you do it"..... there was no specific manner, or way or anything that could be said that made it a ritual/ceremony - yet the wicked nature of fallen man decided to turn it into such.

Christ showed us how we should worship God, and it is not in the manner of any specific religion. We worship God in the Spirit, and the things we do that could be classified as 'religious' are done by the leading of the Spirit - not the letter of the law. When we are led by the Spirit, we show the truth of God's law written on our hearts.
 
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If you think that is what Paul was doing in Ephesians 2:14-16, then according to God, you should regard him as being a false prophet,
The test for a false prophet was twofold: if the signs and wonders he announces do not take place, and if he says, "Let us follow other gods."
Paul is guilty of neither.
but the reality is that Paul was not a enemy of God, so that is not what he was doing.
I most definitely take Paul at his word.
To believe him or not is up to you.
In Matthew 22:36-40, all of the Law and the Prophets hangs on the greatest two commandments, not just the Decalogue, so it is all connected and all of it remains in the NT.
So they're still offering animal sacrifices over at your church?

Your error is shown in that you set the NT Scriptures against themselves, Mt 22:40 against Heb 7:12, 8:13; Eph 2:14-16; Col 2:14.
You simply don't believe the NT in Eph 2:14-16; Heb 7:12, 8:13; Eph 2:14-16; Col 2:14.
That is your choice.
If the way to testify about God's nature were to change when the New Covenant was made,
then God's nature would not be eternal, but it is eternal,
Human thinking and flawed human reasoning do not govern God or his Word written.
For his thoughts are not our thoughts, neither are our ways, his ways.
As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are God's ways higher than our ways, and his thoughts than our thoughts.
therefore Hebrews 7:12 is not speaking about a change of the law in regard to its content such as it
now becoming righteous to commit idolatry
Speaking of flawed human reasoning, you just acknowledged that the Decalogue was included in Mt 22:40 (as well as Ro 13:8-12),
now you infer that it is excluded.
or sinful to help the poor, but rather in context it is speaking about a change in the priesthood, which would also require a change in law in regard to its administration. The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching how to obey it by word and by example, so Jesus did not have any disagreement about which laws we should follow.
I agree that what was written makes sense, but what does make sense is interpreting what was written as referring to God's law. Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, such as the Law of God, the law of sin, and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was speaking about, and
if you just assume that he was only speaking about the Law of God, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand what he was saying.
Are you not assuming that Eph 2:14-16; Col 2:14; Heb 7:12, 8:13 are not about the ceremonial laws and regulations of the Mosaic code?
For example, in Romans 3:27, he contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 7:25, he contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin. So rather then just assuming this passage is referring to the Law of God, you need to give reasons to justify that interpretation and reasons why you reject that reasons that I gave for why this passage couldn't be referring to the Law of God.

Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast to saying that he came not to abolish it, so you shouldn't interpret that as meaning essentially the same thing. Rather, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law by teaching us how to correctly obey it by word and by example. In Galatian 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something that only Jesus did. Likewise, in Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, yet you don't consistently interpret that as abolishing it.
Saying that Jesus abolished the law is calling him a liar and disregarding his warning. Likewise, in Romans 3:31, Paul confirmed that our faith does not abolish the law, but rather our faith upholds yet, yet your faith does not uphold it, and you are trying to say it had been abolished. Except that you are clearly assuming that it is referring to God's law without giving any sort of justification
That is all made clear in Col 2:14; Heb 7:12, 8:13; Eph 2:14-16; e.g.,
Col 2:14 - God made you alive with Christ. . ."having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us (condemning for sin); he took it away, nailing it to the cross."
How many different ways does Paul have to say it?
You are wrestling the word of God (2Pe 3:16).
while ignoring reasons for why it couldn't be referring to God's law. While I believe the revelation Paul received, I also believe that Paul never spoke against obeying any of God's laws, but if you think that Paul did that, then that would mean that Paul was a false prophet who did not receive a revelation from Jesus.
I specifically said that God did not make any mistakes when He gave the law.
There is nothing in the Bible that states that God's law was given for the purpose of being a dividing wall of hostility, yet this verse is describing a law that is a dividing wall of hostility, which means that should interpret this verse as referring to a law that is a dividing wall of hostility rather than to God's law.
The defilement laws regarding food and persons (Lev 11-12) necessarily separated Israel from the Gentiles who were unclean to them.
Gentile uncleanness engendered a hostility in Israel toward them.
God did not give the laws for the purpose of hostility, that was simply the result in flawed human beings.
In James, 2:21, Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, so either he was contradicting Paul in Romans 3:21-4:8 or they are not speaking the same type of works. In Romans 4:4-5, Paul specifically denied that our justification is something that can be earned as though it were a wage, but that is not denying that works play a necessary role in our salvation for some other purpose such as faith because he said in Romans 2:13 that only doers of the Mosaic Law will be justified. So we are justified by faith alone apart from works insofar as there are no works that we can do to earn our salvation, but faith is never alone insofar as the same faith by which we are justified is also expressed as works.
If works played no role in our justification, then our faith would abolish our need to obey God's law, however, in Romans 3:31, Paul did not want us to draw that conclusion, but rather he concluded that our faith upholds God's law. In James 2:21-22, he was speaking about Abraham being justified by his works insofar as they were an expression of His faith, but he was not speaking about Abraham earning his justification by his works.
That is not Paul's meaning of justification; i.e., by faith apart from works (Ro 3:21, 28).
Your issue is not with me, it is with Paul.
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It is a pity that there was no poll associated with this thread. My answer is neither.

Jesus Christ did not come to create a bureaucratic religious organization known as Christianity.

The writer of Hebrews makes it crystal clear that there is only one Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and that is the person of Jesus Christ.
 
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That is not a very “Socratic” response.

Indeed, the whole point of Socratic dialogue is to discover a new truth through conversation.
 
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