Did Jesus come to establish a religion called, "Christianity", or The Order of Melchizedek?

[timothyu]

Then how do you rationalize him saying that he founded his church?

His'church' was not a religion but a way of life built upon the governance of God, not of self serving man.

 

[Infallible Curator]

"Our Father...Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven'.

Yup, and there is no death in 'Heaven'.

People die because they do not enter Heaven.

 

[Albion]

His'church' was not a religion but a way of life built upon the governance of God, not of self serving man.

Well, that's a religion. And he set up missionaries and spiritual observances that adherents were to follow.

 

[timothyu]

Yup, and there is no death in 'Heaven'.

People die because they do not enter Heaven.

Yes. The Kingdom comes down to us from Heaven, we do not go to Heaven. It's all part of the master shall be the servant thing. God comes to us.

 

[timothyu]

Well, that's a religion.

No more than your regular morning routine.

 

[public hermit]

Jesus is a Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, and in that sense he is the King of righteousness and peace, which he did come to establish. Hebrews 7:1-28

In so far as Christianity as a religion fulfills what Jesus came to establish, then yes he came for that purpose. If not, then no.

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[NomNomPizza]

Just being Socratic.

He is priest after order of Melchizidek but it was established before he came , he did not establish it.

 

[98cwitr]

Just being Socratic.

Is there a true difference?

 

[Clare73]

Just being Socratic.

He came to serve and to die as a ransom for many (Mt 20:28).

 

[Albion]

No more than your regular morning routine.

I don't see how what I described could possibly be considered nothing more than getting ready for work or washing one's face or whatever other regular morning routines you had in mind.

 

[timothyu]

I don't see how what I described could possibly be considered nothing more than getting ready for work or washing one's face or whatever other regular morning routines you had in mind.

A way of life is a way of life. He taught us how to live while He went about accomplishing the will of the Father which served and benefited the Father in his return of Governor over mankind. Only then will we benefit otherwise than the goodness we do for each other as a way of life.

 

[Albion]

A way of life is a way of life.

Yes, but it is necessary to include in your consideration two other facts.

For one, a lifestyle change is inherent in most religions and certainly in ALL the great world religions such as Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and of course Christianity.

For another, Christ also itemized religious/spiritual doctrines, devotionals, and initiation ceremonies and called upon all followers to observe them.

Those two characteristics certainly do point to a religion, not just to some personal regimen.

 

[timothyu]

a lifestyle change is inherent in most religions

And God no doubt addresses each to their own understanding but always the same message, love all as self.

and called upon all followers to observe them.

Two commandments, Put the will of the Father before our own thus loving all as self.

A way of life. If we are incapable of it and cannot repent of the self serving ways then of what use will we be to God when he returns to govern (the good news)

 

[Albion]

And God no doubt addresses each to their own understanding but always the same message, love all as self.

That's hardly all that Jesus taught his followers and instructed them to do.

 

[timothyu]

That's hardly all that Jesus taught his followers and instructed them to do

True. His main mission was to teach the good news of the Kingdom of God and then proceeded to do the will of the Father in bringing it about. Man seems to like to put the spotlight on ourselves and make it more about ourselves. Typical self serving humans. lol

 

[Nathan@work]

Yes, but it is necessary to include in your consideration two other facts.

For one, a lifestyle change is inherent in most religions and certainly in ALL the great world religions such as Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and of course Christianity.

For another, Christ also itemized religious/spiritual doctrines, devotionals, and initiation ceremonies and called upon all followers to observe them.

Those two characteristics certainly do point to a religion, not just to some personal regimen.

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I need to say something to some of your statements.

Religions are mankind’s desire to create and worship a God of their choosing. They all focus on outward aspects of human life. Jesus came and taught about the depravity of man(and his religions) while focusing on what His accomplishment would bring to mankind. Which was true life and worship of the True God.

Jesus came to show mankind who God really is, and in so doing destroyed the very religious ideas that many had concerning the God He was proposing to be showing. This is why they wanted Him dead.

Christ did not itemize anything religious or institute anything of that nature.

Mankind did it, yet once again, just like from the beginning - focusing on the flesh of man, and setting themselves up a god to worship.

Jesus had not been ascended for very long, just like Moses up on the mountain, before some people decided He had been gone too long and erected an idol to worship instead of God.

God looks at our hearts. We worship Him in Spirit. He is not pleased with all our rituals, ceremonies, and religious garbage.

 

[prodromos]

Just being Socratic.

I don't think you understand what that means.

 

[Yarddog]

Just being Socratic.

A religion already existed. Judaism.

 

[Soyeong]

Just being Socratic.

Jesus did not come to establish his own religion following a different God, but rather he came to bring fulness to Judaism as the Jewish Messiah in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. He practiced Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah and spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, so all Christians were Torah observant Jews for roughly the first 7-15 years after Christ's resurrection up until the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10, which means that Christianity at its origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its prophesied Messiah.

 

[Soyeong]

His'church' was not a religion but a way of life built upon the governance of God, not of self serving man.

Religions are ways of life. The religion that God instituted is a way of life built upon His governance.

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I need to say something to some of your statements.

Religions are mankind’s desire to create and worship a God of their choosing. They all focus on outward aspects of human life. Jesus came and taught about the depravity of man(and his religions) while focusing on what His accomplishment would bring to mankind. Which was true life and worship of the True God.

Jesus came to show mankind who God really is, and in so doing destroyed the very religious ideas that many had concerning the God He was proposing to be showing. This is why they wanted Him dead.

Christ did not itemize anything religious or institute anything of that nature.

Mankind did it, yet once again, just like from the beginning - focusing on the flesh of man, and setting themselves up a god to worship.

Jesus had not been ascended for very long, just like Moses up on the mountain, before some people decided He had been gone too long and erected an idol to worship instead of God.

God looks at our hearts. We worship Him in Spirit. He is not pleased with all our rituals, ceremonies, and religious garbage.

There is nothing in the definition of "religion" that specifies that they are mankind's desire to create and worship a God of their choosing, that it focuses on outward aspects of human life, or that it is not in regard to true life and worship of the True God. Jesus practiced Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah, and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so he taught how to practice Judaism both by word and by example, and no other person has been more religious than him. Jesus came to show mankind who God really did through his works in sinless obedience to the Torah (John 14:6-11). If God were not pleased by our rituals and ceremonies, then He wouldn't have commanded them, and He certainly in not please by our disobedience to what He had commanded.