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Did God Make Egyptians Sick?

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by LinkH, Sep 10, 2016.

  1. LinkH

    LinkH Regular Member

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    Some preachers say that God doesn't make people sick, and that the Devil makes people sick. That's not just WOFers, of course. But let's look at Exodus 15:26

    And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

    But who put the sicknesses upon the Egyptians in that verse?
     
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  2. SeventyOne

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    The Lord did, just as He said.
     
  3. Hank77

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    God did. but if you recall He gave Pharaoh a chance to let the Hebrew slaves go free before each plague. Pharaoh's pride would not allow him to humble himself and so he brought suffering of the plagues on his people.
     
  4. CGL1023

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    Satan put the sickness on the Egyptians as he is ever the thief who comes not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy...John 10:10a. A difficulty in translation causes this misconception. There are several OT examples similar to Ex 15:26. I leave a more complete answer to someone who knows the subject well.
     
  5. LinkH

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    So in other words, you hold so strongly to your worldview, that you dismiss scriptures that contradict it as translation difficulties?

    John 10:10 does not say that Satan causes all sickness or that God does not cause sickness. It tells us what 'the thief' comes to do. That doesn't make 'the thief' all powerful or limit what other parties may do.
     
  6. CGL1023

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    ok
     
  7. VanillaSunflowers

    VanillaSunflowers Black Lives Don't Matter More Than Any Other Life

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    God did.Just like he said there.
     
  8. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    you ,as yet ,seem to have no comprehension of "the curse of sin" .. the curse comes ..by sin. in the curse is all manner of dis-ease. there is only one plague which strikes the bodies of the Egyptians and that is boils .. and god put it in the hands of pharaoh to decide whether it would come or not .
    pharoah decided to break his own promise of agreeing to let the people go - he decided that , not god .
    since all were under the curse of sin.. it is the grace of gods power at work that all men are not plagued at all times . his mercy withholds it .and restrains the enemies hand ,satans hand .,(and that restrained will one day be removed form a short time (we term it "the tribulation" ) satan has now no authority , but he has the ability to make sick but no authoritative right to do so . but hes not know as one who acts with permission .

    but let me explore the implications of what you are saying , apart from the fact you seem bold to accuse god of "doing evil" the error that jobs Councillors made .
    i am led to ask .. who HEALS ? for if you say .. "its god who brings evil on people" then do you not also imply that the adversary brings good on them ? or does your reasoning only apply to what you want it to apply to ?if you make such an assumption, then you must apply the same assumption across the board ..or be in error and repent (rethink)

    the curse has already come upon all flesh .. god did not sin ..god did not cause the curse .. we did .
    do not charge god with evil .
     
  9. LinkH

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    There are some addition plagues mentioned in the Psalms that don't show up in Exodus. We don't know if all the plagues are explained in the text. There could be other things that happened that are not recorded. But be that as it may, Exodus says tells us that the LORD would not put on obedient Israel the diseases that He put on the Eygyptians. It doesn't just say 'the plagues.' The Egyptians may have had numerous illnesses that weren't plagues that hit the entire nation at the same time like the plagues mentioned in Exodus. The promise of health of obedient Israel seems to be a lot broader than just the illness mentioned in the passages about the plagues.

    True. Why do you spell 'God' with lower case, btw? But still, in Exodus, we read that the LORD would put upon the Israelites, if they met the conditions, none of the sicknesses that He put upon the Egyptians. Pharoah didn't go pick up the illnesses and pour them on the Egyptians when he chose to disobey. The boils that came as a result of his rebellion came from an external source.


    Be careful that you odn't blaspheme. I quoted what God said through Moses in the Bible. What did I 'accuse' Him of other than what He stated Himself, through a prophet? You are the one who brought up 'doing evil.' Some Charismatics, including many WOFers have a difficult time with understanding what 'good' is. God punishing evil-doers can be a very good thing, for example.

    You might benefit from a course in logic. Nothing I said implies anything about the Devil doing good to people. You are the one with the dualistic reasoning. It doesn't make logical sense that if God makes the wicked sick at times, that the Devil would have to do good things for people. There is no no logical connection.

    Are you assuming some kind of yin and yang thing, where the Devil has to do the exact opposite of God? In my belief system, the Devil is not a god or an evil mirror image of God. That's not a Biblical way of viewing things. I'm trying to figure out why you would think that the Lord putting sicknesses on Egyptians would imply that the Devil does good things. That's the only explanation I could think of.

    God putting sicknesses on the Egyptians isn't sin. God putting the wicked in Hell is not sin.

    It sounds like you hold to an elaborate theology that tries to 'blame shift' to somehow take God out of the equation when it comes to issues of judgment. The problem is, if the Bible has plenty of verses that do away with the whole need to 'blame shift.' God takes credit for drowning the Egyptians. God is good and just, and it is good and just of God to do such things. There is no blame to be assigned. God putting the wicked in Hell doesn't make him any less good. We just don't need the elaborate arguments that try to make God have nothing to do with the wicked going to Hell, since they aren't necessary.
     
  10. VanillaSunflowers

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    Maybe you're forgetting that prior to Moses' arrival before Pharaoh God hardened his heart against the pleadings of Moses.
    This hardening made possible all the plagues God later sent to Egypt. Including the boils suffered by them. And the plagues affected everyone in Egypt, not just the Egyptians being the Hebrew slaves were still there at the time the plagues fell upon Egypt.
     
  11. Alithis

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    Then perhaps your forgetting God would be Just in destroying all due to sin .. we owe him the life we broke . he owes us nothing yet love compels to to withhold death from us in order that we be given time to repent .. that is grace and then he sent Jesus , Grace for grace .

    you fully missed it -your all about sinful man and old covenant .

    does God HEAL ? yes
    why .. because it is always his will to do so .
     
  12. VanillaSunflowers

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    Am I right in understanding you to say what amounts to, the Egyptians earned it?
     
  13. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    we deserve death and without Christ that is what comes to all .
     
  14. VanillaSunflowers

    VanillaSunflowers Black Lives Don't Matter More Than Any Other Life

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    Why do we deserve death?
     
  15. Alithis

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    if you need to ask that , you haven't repented yet .(repent - to re think ,think again and agree with God .)
     
  16. VanillaSunflowers

    VanillaSunflowers Black Lives Don't Matter More Than Any Other Life

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    Remember the rules here.
    You're the one that claimed we deserve death. If you're unable to answer to what you declare that is your issue. But don't question my faith because of your incapacity to explain yourself.
     
  17. LinkH

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    That is rude and judgmental. The other poster just may want to know how you think.
     
  18. Alithis

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    Ik not questioning your faith .a christion is ,among other things ,one who knows they were a sinner and under the curse of death and has been saved from sin. So to ask the question is almost absurd .

    And why be running about stating God does evil. He does not.
    He is righteous.
    Such talk is not edifying.
     
  19. VanillaSunflowers

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    Link H called it.
     
  20. LinkH

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    No one is accusing God of doing evil. But there are some people who call good evil and evil good. It is good for our just God to punish the wicked if He judges it to be the right thing to do in His righteous judgment.

    'Good' is measured by His standards, not ours.
     
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