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Featured Did God create dragons?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Nathan98, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. Targaryen

    Targaryen Scripture,Tradition and Reason

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    I believe I asked for actual evidence. Bad biblical study and heterodox reasonings isn't evidence.
     
  2. pat34lee

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    Unicorns are still around, just not the horse-based fiction
    of the middle ages. We call them rhinos. The rhinos that
    have two horns are bicorns.
     
  3. Targaryen

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    A rhinoceros (/raɪˈnɒsərəs/, from Greek rhinokeros, meaning 'nose-horned', from rhinos, meaning 'nose', and keratos, meaning 'horn'), often abbreviated to rhino, is one of any five extant species of odd-toed ungulates in the family Rhinocerotidae, as well as any of the numerous extinct species. Two of the extant species are native to Africa and three to Southern Asia.

    The unicorn is a legendary creature that has been described since antiquity as a beast with a single large, pointed, spiraling horn projecting from its forehead. The unicorn was depicted in ancient seals of the Indus Valley Civilization and was mentioned by the ancient Greeks in accounts of natural history by various writers, including Ctesias, Strabo, Pliny the Younger, and Aelian.[1] The Bible also describes an animal, the re'em, which some versions translate as unicorn.[1]

    In European folklore, the unicorn is often depicted as a white horse-like or goat-like animal with a long horn and cloven hooves (sometimes a goat's beard). In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, it was commonly described as an extremely wild woodland creature, a symbol of purity and grace, which could only be captured by a virgin. In the encyclopedias its horn was said to have the power to render poisoned water potable and to heal sickness. In medieval and Renaissance times, the tusk of the narwhal was sometimes sold as unicorn horn.


    Two completely different things there. Unless chocolate and spaghetti are somehow the same thing?
     
  4. Hal A Peno

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  6. Targaryen

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    I'm sure you can't. Cause you can't provide evidence that actually supports your claim.
     
  7. Targaryen

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    Offer. I think it's pretty clear the dragon in Revelations is allegory for Satan's wrath. I'm not sure what is so hard for y'all to grasp with basic common sense. Unless of course you need to justify some rather bad biblical study?
     
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    There were dinosaur bones lying exposed in the Gobi Desert.
    A Chinese statue of a dragon dated back to the 5th millennium BC (Wikipedia). The Chinese dragon was a snake with legs and a lizard like head.

    The leviathan of Job was thought to be a crocodile.
     
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    Then too, but I meant more along the lines of the last hundred
    years or so, when we began really working on hunting large
    animals to extinction, or near it. African animals, the bison and
    grizzlies in the US; is there anything much even left in Europe?
     
  14. pat34lee

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    Only by people who thought Behemoth was a hippo
    or an elephant with a tail like a cedar.
     
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    You should tell that to the man who coined the term
    'dinosaur' back in 1842. It means 'fearfully great lizard'.
    So every scientist for 175 years has called them lizards.
    Dinosaurs, Etymology and History | Wyzant Resources
     
  16. Targaryen

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    Key word...lizard, not dragon. Lizard. And scientifically, they are correct. Dinosaurs belonged to the Reptile group as do lizards. So....
     
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    It must be nice to ignore much of history, just because
    it would upset evolution. To call liars such men as Marco
    Polo, who documented dragons in China, and Alexander
    the Great, who saw a dragon in a cave, to Pigafetta, who
    saw dragons in native villages in the Congo.

    "Evolutionary Zoologist Desmond Morris wrote, “In the world of fantastic animals, the dragon is unique. No other imaginary creature has appeared in such a rich variety of forms. It is as though there was once a whole family of different dragon species that really existed, before they mysteriously became extinct. Indeed, as recently as the seventeenth century, scholars wrote of dragons as though they were scientific fact, their anatomy and natural history being recorded in painstaking detail. The naturalist Edward Topsell, for instance, writing in 1608, considered them to be reptilian and closely related to serpents: ‘There are divers sorts of Dragons, distinguished partlie by their Countries, partlie by their quantitie and magnitude, and partlie by the different forme of their externall partes.’ Unlike Shakespeare, who spoke of ‘the dragon more feared than seen,’ Topsell was convinced that they had been observed by many people: ‘Neither have we in Europe only heard of Dragons and never seen them, but also in our own country there have (by the testimony of sundry writers) divers been discovered and killed.'” (from the forward to Dr. Karl Shuker’s Dragons: A Natural History, 1995, p.8.)"
    Dragons in History | Genesis Park
     
  18. Targaryen

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    And the review from the Washington Post on said book:

    Book Review: 'The Natural History of Unicorns' by Chris Lavers

    Here's the relevant info on the book

    Don't confuse this book with cryptozoology, with its snapshots of the Loch Ness Monster (or is that driftwood?) and plaster casts of Bigfoot's tracks (unless that's a seam showing). Lavers is a scientist and a scholar. He isn't trying to prove the existence of an elusive beast. He understands that myths, like hardy plants, grow from their native environment, then get carried abroad and cross-fertilize with indigenous stories elsewhere, producing hybrids whose lineage requires careful untangling.


    Lavers wants to know what inspired the many different versions of the unicorn that cavort through such diverse sources as Pliny's natural history encyclopedia, the medieval pharmacopoeia and Christian fables of sacred virginity. His quest takes him from ancient natural scientists such as Ctesius and Aristotle to the Islamic scholars who preserved those worthies' learning through the Dark Ages. Then he takes us along on exciting 19th- and 20th-century expeditions into jungle and veldt. Real animals who contributed to the unicorn or its potent horn include the yak, narwhal, oryx, rhinoceros, okapi and the now extinct auroch.
     
  19. SBC

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    Dragons, dinosaurs, insects, flies ~ yep ALL things God created -

    It doesn't matter what mankind CALLS Gods creations - they are still Gods creations.

    Gen 1
    [24] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
    [25] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    It doesn't matter what ONE thing, such as an angel or such as a man is Called, in comparison to an Animal or Insect.
    Angels are still angels, holy or fallen and men are still men natural or saved.

    We know when we call a man an ass, a gnat, a pig, a "teddy" bear, a "stubborn" mule;
    he is not those things, but is exhibiting the behavior, or reminding us of those things.

    Dragons and Dinosaurs are basically the same thing in Scripture - A very large powerful land animal that caused men to fear it.

    Job 40
    [15] Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
    [16] Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
    [17] He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
    [18] His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
    [19] He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
    [20] Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
    [21] He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
    [22] The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
    [23] Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
    [24] He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

    God Bless,
    SBC
     
  20. Beautyinsteadofashes

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    Right, dinosaurs were real but did God create them?
     
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