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Did Experts and Officials Warn in 2018 US Couldn’t Respond Effectively to a Pandemic?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by tulc, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. tulc

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    Did Experts and Officials Warn in 2018 US Couldn't Respond Effectively to a Pandemic?
    tulc(thought this was interesting)
     
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  3. Al Touthentop

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    I think somebody has already posted that Trump didn't actually disband anything. But it's a bit hard to get behind all of this Trump is the root of all evil even if one doesn't like him that much. The CDC got caught lying about the 2009 Swine Flu numbers and one wonders of they're not pulling the same shenanigans here.

    This is some great reporting here.

    Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
     
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  4. grasping the after wind

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    What plan did he inherit?
     
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  5. Sistrin

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    I reject the OP premise as echoed in the article cited, that President Trump "bumbled" the response. That assertion amounts to simply another link in the paper-mache chain of self-righteous outrage perpetually pouring from the aggregate soul of the hate-Trump collective.
     
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    This article does not answer the question asked. And indeed, it defeats the very point you are trying to make by posting it.

    From the article, quote:

    "It’s impossible to assess the impact of the 2018 decision to disband the unit, she said."

    A statement which acknowledges the logical and indeed entirely plausible condition "the unit" was completely superfluous and disbanding it had absolutely no effect on anything.

    But I know, I know, hate Trump hate Trump hate Trump...
     
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  9. tulc

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    How about if we put that statement in context:
    in context it seems she answered at least one thing disbanding it did. :wave:
    tulc(hopes that helps)
     
  10. tulc

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    You don't need a fire alarm to fight a fire, but it's nice to have a warning that there's smoke somewhere in the house. Which is what that unit's job was. :sigh:
    tulc(just a thought)
     
  11. Sistrin

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    She stated her opinion. Which, of course, you automatically and without question agree with because hate Trump.
     
  12. tulc

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    hmmm...she knows what she's talking about so yeah, I'll admit, I do tend to listen to people who know what they're talking about. :wave:
    tulc(does like people who know what they're talking about)
     
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    *Existing statutory authorities tasking HHS to lead the federal government's response to an influenza pandemic are insufficient and often in conflict with another.
    *Currently, there are insufficient funding sources designated for the federal government to use in response to a severe influenza pandemic.

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...5bd797500ea55be0724/optimized/full.pdf#page=1


    "On Twitter and TV, Gottlieb, Bossert and Cohn, among others, struck an urgent tone, while the president insisted the virus was “very much under control in the USA,” even predicting in late February that the number of cases would be close to zero “within a couple of days” and falsely claiming that a vaccine would soon arrive. As of Thursday, the number of cases had sailed past 1,000 and a vaccine remains at least a year away."

    Trump officials did sound the coronavirus alarm. They just don’t work there anymore.

    "The intelligence community was warning of the danger posed by the novel coronavirus throughout January and February as the White House downplayed the threat and was slow to roll out nationwide measures, reports show."

    Intel reports going back to January warned of coronavirus threat

    "But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago."

    Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook
     
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  14. Fantine

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    I don't think that anyone here "hates" Trump. We are all Christians here.

    We hate his behavior. We recognize that in his current position he is probably the greatest threat to humankind on the planet.

    But if he were a private citizen, living in MaraLago, sleeping till noon, being driven around in golf carts, hobnobbing with the members paying his bills, we wouldn't give him a second thought. No one hates a menace when neutralized.
     
  15. jgarden

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    In addition to disbanding the White House Pandemic office for which this President claims no knowledge and budget cuts to the CDC, the internal "Crimson Contagion Study" was conducted in 2019 to determine the capability of the departments of the federal government to respond to a pandemic!

    Apparently both the White House and Congress were made aware of its findings, which was only further reinforced by the briefings from America's intelligence agencies to those in senior government positions of authority concerning the nature and spread of COVIR-19

    While this President has repeatedly attempted to shift the blame for the glaring shortfalls in organization and resources onto the backs of the state governments, their governors were never privy to the classified "Crimson Contagion Study" not the briefings by America's intelligence agencies!

    Less than a month ago, this same President was still denying that COVIR-19 represented a national threat and it wasn't until yesterday that the Republican Governors in Florida, Georgia and Mississippi felt that they could introduce statewide "lock-downs" without incurring Trump's disapproval!
     
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  17. tulc

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    If you remember correctly, the House was trying to do it's job by passing a lot of legislation in 2019, only to have pretty much everything grind to a halt because the Republican controlled Senate was too busy trying to act as President Trumps defense team: House Democrats have passed nearly 400 bills. Trump and Republicans are ignoring them.
    But it is kind of nice to see a "whataboutism" that actually uses the words "but what about" in it. :wave:
    tulc(just thought he'd point that out)
     
  18. jgarden

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    Presumably the White House and federal government which this President promised would be staffed by "all the best people" should be able to "walk and chew gum" at the same time!

    The President receives daily intelligence briefings unavailable to others and yet it has been the Democratic state governors of New York, Washington, California, Illinois, Michigan and Louisiana who have filled the leadership void left by the federal government!
     
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    So what was the plan we supposedly had in place?
     
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