Did David Duke's endorsement of Donald Trump help or harm him?

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It’s an interesting question to ponder. No doubt that David Duke’s endorsement of Trump harmed our president’s reputation among liberals, but they weren’t going to vote for him anyway. But what about Trump supporters? Do you think Duke’s endorsement of Donald “Wall” Trump helped bolster support among his existing supporters?
 

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Personally, I don't think so. I didn't vote for him in the election nor Hillary. I definitely wasn't voting for her. I played a wait and see game and I think the left's antics are hurting them way more than David Duke's endorsement. I'm more of a centrist when it comes to politics although I lean way more to the right than I do left.

A presidential candidate cannot control who endorses them. Sure, the fiasco of him saying he didn't know who David Duke looked bad, but I see Trump as kind of a manic person, he's all over the place and he may not actually have cared who David Duke was. Most people don't/didn't know who the guy was/is until the media made that known. Eventually, Trump came out and disavowed him.

To me, mainstream media and the left are sowing more seeds of division than Trump or any of his real supporters. I stress real, cause the media has been caught placing fake supporters on television, then they talk how the left thinks a Trump supporter should talk, but they continue to also espouse some leftist views.
 
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It’s an interesting question to ponder. No doubt that David Duke’s endorsement of Trump harmed our president’s reputation among liberals, but they weren’t going to vote for him anyway. But what about Trump supporters? Do you think Duke’s endorsement of Donald “Wall” Trump helped bolster support among his existing supporters?
It is evident Trump thinks it was positive. Trump did everything as possible to not say bad thing about Duke including lying about knowing who Duke is. As well Trump of course publicly supported KKK and Neo Nazis saying some are "very fine people". This is also the public support for Duke.
 
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It is evident Trump thinks it was positive. Trump did everything as possible to not say bad thing about Duke including lying about knowing who Duke is. As well Trump of course publicly supported KKK and Neo Nazis saying some are "very fine people". This is also the public support for Duke.

Do you believe that Donald Trump is a clandestine Klansman?
 
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Just remember, media can edit things one way when someone actually meant something else, here is a transcript of Trump condemning Charlottesville. If you read carefully what he says, he was/is about distinguishing who's who in what group and why they are there rather than painting with a broad brush like the media does these days: https://www.politico.com/story/2017...white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

I didn't vote for him, but one thing that bothers me is the media's divide and conquer strategy on the people by making them think Trump and real Trump supporters are racist. I just find it interesting that lately Antifa (alt-left) has been showing way more hate and violence and nobody really talks about that much.
 
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Do you believe that Donald Trump is a clandestine Klansman?

This entire logic is a continuum fallacy; that is, just because there is crossover on some ideas doesn't mean the two are equivalent.

Both Islam and Christianity both identify Jesus Christ as the Son of the Virgin Mary and identify Christ as the Word of God, but does that mean that all forms of Christianity and all forms of Islam believe in the exact same doctrine?

No, of course not.

It's very clear that Donald Trump and David Duke have completely different ideas, despite there being crossover on certain issues - like the Wall or Freedom of Speech. I could use the same logic with Barack Obama and call him a Communist, a Zionist, a Nazi, a Libertarian, a Socialist Anarchist, and an African Nationalist, because on all of these ideas, there is some point of agreement between Obama and these ideologies. It's obvious, though, that Obama can't be all of these.

Unless you have evidence of Trump being a Clandestine Klansman (there's video footage of him going to a meeting, or documents in which he burned Crosses in front of African American neighborhoods, or he's openly stated that whites shouldn't marry blacks to preserve their heritage), don't make wild accusations about one's own personal beliefs, because when you do so without evidence, you create a toxic political atmosphere that doesn't end up well for anyone. In the past, such wild accusations without evidence have led to "witches" being burnt and McCarthyism.
 
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Just remember, media can edit things one way when someone actually meant something else, here is a transcript of Trump condemning Charlottesville. If you read carefully what he says, he was/is about distinguishing who's who in what group and why they are there rather than painting with a broad brush like the media does these days: https://www.politico.com/story/2017...white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

I didn't vote for him, but one thing that bothers me is the media's divide and conquer strategy on the people by making them think Trump and real Trump supporters are racist. I just find it interesting that lately Antifa (alt-left) has been showing way more hate and violence and nobody really talks about that much.
This was rally hosted by KKK/White Supremacist. Main feature was people doing the marches and chants of Nazis and KKK and who carry the torches. "Very fine people" do not stay with this group. "Very fine people" leave when they see this. This is very simple concept.

It is very clear who Trump was publicly praising with both sides comment: KKK and Neo Nazis.
 
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Please do not forget Trump has the long history of racist behavior including public support for KKK and Neo Nazis.

Can you show me evidence or a quote from Trump where he publicly supported the KKK or the Neo Nazis? Especially considering in the article Trump said that both the Neo Nazis and the KKK "should be condemned totally?"
 
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This entire logic is a continuum fallacy; that is, just because there is crossover on some ideas doesn't mean the two are equivalent.

Both Islam and Christianity both identify Jesus Christ as the Son of the Virgin Mary and identify Christ as the Word of God, but does that mean that all forms of Christianity and all forms of Islam believe in the exact same doctrine?

No, of course not.

It's very clear that Donald Trump and David Duke have completely different ideas, despite there being crossover on certain issues - like the Wall or Freedom of Speech. I could use the same logic with Barack Obama and call him a Communist, a Zionist, a Nazi, a Libertarian, a Socialist Anarchist, and an African Nationalist, because on all of these ideas, there is some point of agreement between Obama and these ideologies. It's obvious, though, that Obama can't be all of these.

Unless you have evidence of Trump being a Clandestine Klansman (there's video footage of him going to a meeting, or documents in which he burned Crosses in front of African American neighborhoods, or he's openly stated that whites shouldn't marry blacks to preserve their heritage), don't make wild accusations about one's own personal beliefs, because when you do so without evidence, you create a toxic political atmosphere that doesn't end up well for anyone. In the past, such wild accusations without evidence have led to "witches" being burnt and McCarthyism.

I voted for Trump. All I did was ask someone if he thinks Trump is a clandestine Klansman. I wasn't endorsing that opinion.
 
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Can you show me evidence or a quote from Trump where he publicly supported the KKK or the Neo Nazis? Especially considering in the article Trump said that both the Neo Nazis and the KKK "should be condemned totally?"
That was after being forced into this action because of mass resignations and public outcry from publicly praising Neo Nazis and KKK saying "some are very fine people" after Charlottesville.

Here is Trump initial reaction after public support of Neo Nazis and KKK. Defend his support:
Trump Defends Initial Remarks on Charlottesville; Again Blames 'Both Sides'

But Trump goal of supporting KKK and Neo Nazis was accomplished. They had much love for this support.
Trump Gives White Supremacists an Unequivocal Boost
Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

Comments from across all political types:
White Supremacists Love How Donald Trump Handled Charlottesville
Donald Trump: White Supremacists Praise Charlottesville Talk
Neo-nazis celebrate Trump's remarks about Charlottesville riots
 
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This was rally hosted by KKK/White Supremacist. Main feature was people doing the marches and chants of Nazis and KKK and who carry the torches. "Very fine people" do not stay with this group. "Very fine people" leave when they see this. This is very simple concept.

It is very clear who Trump was publicly praising with both sides comment: KKK and Neo Nazis.

If you read the transcript you would know he distinguished between the hate groups (KKK/White Supremacists & Neo-Nazis, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter) and people who were there to protest the taking down of the statute and people who were there to protest the statute. To Trump, all of those groups are not lumped in the same category like you seem to keep lumping them all as either supporters of racists or protestors of racist.
 
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Do you think Duke’s endorsement of Donald “Wall” Trump helped bolster support among his existing supporters?
Not in the least. I also do not think that the statement by the head of the Communist Party USA urging people to vote for Mrs. Clinton had any effect on the people who were supporting her.
 
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No. He's too involved in making money than to go around burning crosses although they say his father was a member of a Klan group in New York even though I'm not sure how true that is.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-kkk-rally-riot-queens-new-york-a7891701.html

Actually, his father was just arrested near a Klan rally. It's possible he was just arrested as part of a mass group of people who refused to move, although this article still tries to insinuate some wrongdoing or marry it to the "Trump's a racist" narrative going on today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-klan-riot-in-queens/?utm_term=.cdaa54a93de4, they at least admit there's no evidence Fred Trump was a Klansmen and add an update at the end admitting what I just said, that he was likely arrested for refusing to disperse and not because he was fighting police alongside the Klan.
 
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If you read the transcript you would know he distinguished between the hate groups (KKK/White Supremacists & Neo-Nazis, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter) and people who were there to protest the taking down of the statute and people who were there to protest the statute. To Trump, all of those groups are not lumped in the same category like you seem to keep lumping them all as either supporters of racists or protestors of racist.
No it was very clear he was supporting KKK and Neo Nazis. This is why they loved him. This is why so many resigned from Trump presidential councils and groups. This is why Tri,[ refused to take back comments because Trump must think White Supremacists are important part of his base.

It is not that this is first Trump racist behavior. He has long history of being the racist.

Here is good place to start if someone wants to know truth:
Trump Has A Long And Well-Documented History Of Racist Behavior
 
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This claim has long since been shown to be untrue, but I am glad to see you include some evidence (sort of) for a change so that all readers can see for themselves that it is untrue.
No. Just some people will ignore reality of Trump on video doing this try to make narrative that it never happened. This is of course their right.
 
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No it was very clear he was supporting KKK and Neo Nazis. This is why they loved him. This is why so many resigned from Trump presidential councils and groups. This is why Tri,[ refused to take back comments because Trump must think White Supremacists are important part of his base.

The video you just linked proves my point. He said there was blame on both sides and not all the people there were Neo-Nazis or White Supremacists, some of them were, some of them weren't. It was the media who tried to make it seem he said there were nice people amongst White Supremacy groups. He never said that.
 
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