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Desperate! Prayer for salvation!

Discussion in 'Prayer Wall' started by JL_Marais, Feb 6, 2002.

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  1. His_Saving_Grace

    His_Saving_Grace New Guy on the block

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    JL, she is right, it really is nothing. You are not betraying God by praying to him. Jesus himself did not tell the Jews to pray to him, but to God, just as Jesus did.

    The more I read the words of Jesus, the more I see his mission was to try and take legalism out of the faith. He was preaching a God of love, a God who wanted to touch the lives of all his human creations. He wasn't trying to teach others to follow certain laws, or doctrines. He made a point to show that if love and the law contradicted each other, then love was to override the Law. He never told us to love one another EXCEPT those who don't believe. His words about the top two commandments are to love God above all else, and to love one another as you love yourself. If you love God with all your heart and soul, you can not but love yourself as his beloved creation. And everyone else on this earth are also His creations, no less worthy of His and our love, reguardless of their religious beliefs.

    If you truely believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you can never actually remove that belief. You do not have to hide your faith for anyone, nor do you need to deny your faith for anyone. You do not have to become Jewish for her, and she does not have to become Christian for you. Neither do you have to hide your faith from your to be children.

    Anyone who truely loves God would never make that demand. And neither would someone who truely loves one another as they love themselve make that demand. Would YOU like to be forced by someone to change YOUR beliefs? Then neither of you who claim to love each other should make any demands of change on the other. If the demands MUST be met, then the love just isn't pure enough yet, and the marriage should be postponed until both of you truly understand what pure love is.

    God loves us all, sinners and non-believers, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever religious belief you have, as Paul stated, there is NOTHING that can remove God's love from us.

    That is what pure love is. Pure love doesn't demand. God knows this. Pure love doesn't threaten. God also knows this. Pure love doesn't try and force anyone. God, in his wisdom, sent us Jesus to show us this. It's time we listen to the words of God, passed on to us through Jesus and the prophets.

    Place your trust in God. If this marriage is to be, the love will be pure and undemanding, and therefor will last. If it isn't, then the demands will place unloving regrets and stress on the marriage, and it will fail.

    There is only one place you should be looking for advice. Please go back to Him and find His will.
     
  2. JL_Marais

    JL_Marais New Member

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    Thanks.

    Remember that I'm not asking anything from her. She's the one that's been asking that I become Jewish. The rest of what you said made sense and I will and do leave the decision up to God. I prayed that the decision be made for me because I cannot trust myself with a decision like this. Thus far I'm willing to go on if she is.
     
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    JL_Marais New Member

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    I believe this is the case, but I would like a verse for this if you have it.

    Thanks.

    (She complains that you should not pray through someone to God. I told her I don't really. I would like to have the reference to show her. ...even though she doesn't believe in the New Testament... at least it might make more sense to her)
     
  4. His_Saving_Grace

    His_Saving_Grace New Guy on the block

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    This is very simple since it is the Lord's Prayer.

    Matthew 6:5-13

    (5) "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. (6) But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father , who is unseen. Then your Father , who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (7) And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. (8) Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

    (9) "This, then, is how you should pray:

    "'Our Father in heaven,
    Hallowed be Your name ,
    (10)Your kingdom come,
    Your will be done
    On earth as it is in heaven
    (11)Give us today our daily bread.
    (12)Forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
    (13)And lead us not into temptation,
    But deliver us from the evil one.'

    (Emphasis mine. NIV Life Application Study Bible)

    And if you go through the Gospels, you will see that every time he told his Disciples to pray, he told them to pray to the Father for (whatever need they had...Wisdom, Knowledge, the casting out of demons, healing, thanks...etc)
     
  5. JL_Marais

    JL_Marais New Member

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    Hi

    Its been a while. Since I was here last we sort of sorted out some things... or maybe we just let it be. I didn't become Jewish and she stayed Jewish. Her parents have accepted that we would get married like this and mine as well. I feel we just ignored the things we couldn't fix, but I sort of think its the best we could do.

    In the mean time we moved in together. I know its wrong, and I just lose grip on my spiruality in times like this.

    Its actually few and far in between that I feel on top of things in a spirutual way.

    So... time passed. We are now in a 'try to work things out' mode. We have been fighting about different things for the last few months. She loves me very much. Me? I love her very much with my heart, and less with my head. It the summary I could come up with. Our recent problems were of a personality clash nature, but the wedding is planned for end if Feb.

    She, in the mean time have been diagnosed with pre-cancerous cervical cells and she's also having a hard time at times. I don't give her enough affection, but I'm a person that does his own thing. I keep myself busy and she can't. She's not interested in any of my interests and I seem just more academic than her (without saying that that's a good or bad thing). I don't know...

    Strange thing happened as well - and if I tell you you'll probably try to convince me to break off the relationship. I sort of thought/prayed (it was more a though than a formal prayer) that if the girl at work broke up with her guy by the end of the holidays it would be a sign that I should be with her.... actually I realize it sounds more fishy than anything else, but I haven't been hitting on the girl at work even though I like her and I've just wondered if she was the one that I would have been with if I didn't go the Sarah route.

    The Sarah route was a very unlikely event to have happened and maybe that says it was destiny, but then just after I chose to go that way (initially I didn't know Sarah was jewish and after that I didn't understand what the big deal about it was, and after I eventually understood I felt too attached to break it off), the new girl started at our work. I intensionally cut convesations short in the beginning because I didn't want to become too interested in her. I was already engaged by that stage. So I played it cool, but got to know her a bit eventually - she sits just next to me in the open plan office after all. She just seems to fit the mold better, but she found a guy and I felt good that she was sort of taken. That's why I sort of informally requested this breakup sign. I didn't know initially, it did actually work out this way. Its only a time-out between them, but I see that kind of thing as a big problem in a relationship. I told Sarah that there will be no time-outs since you don't have the luxury of timeouts in a marriage.

    I suppose that's too long a post already. Just think of me in this (you already did :), thanks). I hope I'm not lined up for divorce.

    Regards to all.
     
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