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Featured Desiring to be rich is a snare.

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by W2L, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    This topic is a legit theological discussion. If you dont wish to discusss it, but would instead wish to shut down this discussion, then its you who dont believe it.
     
  2. W2L

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    No, God blesses us too but our treasure is worth more than Gold and precious stones. Remember the church of acts 4, where the rich sold their lands and gave to the poor? This is why, look here

    2 Corinthians 8:14 but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack—that there may be equality. 15 As it is written, “He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack.”[
     
  3. W2L

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    No it doesnt state that. Get real, no scripture says that God is going to make us all rich in worldly wealth.
     
  4. W2L

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    Here is what a man of God looks like.

    1 Timothy 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    The Good Confession
    11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
     
  5. RaymondG

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    If the treasure you have is worth more than Gold and stones......why are you thinking about the gold that others have? Shouldnt you be grateful that you have something greater?

    I think this is the issue.....Have you entered the Church of Acts? Do you still feel that you lack something? Are you still holding unto something that prevents you from entering the Church?

    Do you feel that having wealth on earth prevents you from having treasures in Heaven? Are all the children of the rich, doomed to hell because of the situation they were born into?
     
  6. claninja

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    Being wealthy is not a sin. Earthly wealth can be a blessing from God. Is it dangerous to desire earthly wealth? Yes, it definitely is. So, if you are wealthy with earthly possessions in this present age, Paul lays out what to do about it.

    1 Timothy 6:17-19
    17Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.
     
  7. RaymondG

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    Scripture states to ask and you shall receive. God wont make you something you dont want to be, and wont give you anything you dont ask for. God has no limits, no matter how many limits man tries to place on Him. He is Great! and He can do all things.....and I can do All things through Christ which Strengthens me.

    Continue telling people what God cant and wont do, but just know that it is your own doctrine.
     
  8. LittleLambofJesus

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    Those words are also used in Revelation concerning OC Jerusalem and it's corrupt religious rulers:

    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

    1939. epithumia ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah from 1937; a longing (especially for what is forbidden):--concupiscence, desire, lust (after).

    The exact word in John 8:44 is used 9 times in NT, 8 of those in the Epistles. The exact word form used in Reve 18:14 is used 13 times, 1 time in Revelation.

    John 8:44 Ye out of a father, the Devil are and the desires/lusts/epi-qumiaV <1939> of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing.

    Reve 18:14 `And the fruition of the desire/lust/epi-qumiaV <1939> of the soul of thee, departed from thee. And all the sumptious-things and shinings perished from thee. And not still not no shall be finding them.

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
    "I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
    if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."

    (Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)

    Then there is the word "perdition" which is used in Reve 17:8, 11

    Son of perdition - Wikipedia

    In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Paul referred to "the son of perdition".

    Jhn 17:12
    While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; G684 that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3
    "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

    2Pe 3:7
    But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

    Rev 17:
    8 “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition...........
    11 “The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
     
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  9. Phil 1:21

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    And no one here stated as much. Just because God doesn't bless "us all" in a particular way doesn't mean He doesn't bless anyone in that way.
     
  10. claninja

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    I don't think that's always true. Moses didn't want to ask pharaoh to let Israel go, and Jonah did not want to go to Ninevah

    I don't think this is always true either. I don't ever ask for trials and suffering, but God gives us those things to bring us closer to him.

    Isn't that what you kinda just did?

    Amen! absolutely agree!
     
  11. W2L

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    Listen, im just discussing scripture. May i suggest you stop thinking about what im doing?
     
  12. W2L

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    Again, God only gives what is according to his will, and thats food and clothing, not riches.
     
  13. W2L

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    Thanks little lamb.
     
  14. W2L

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    Really? You guys are saying God gives us riches. Are those scriptures you guys keep misquoting not for everyone?
     
  15. W2L

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    You guys trapped yourselves. You quoted all those scriptures but you say they dont pertain to everyone?
     
  16. Phil 1:21

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    And? Where in scripture does it say God blessed everyone in the exact same way?
     
  17. W2L

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    Why would he bless one person with money but not another? The truth is that God doesn't give wealth, he instead gives treasure in heaven.
     
  18. W2L

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    Matthew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

    7:24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.

    26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”

    28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
     
  19. RaymondG

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    You misread my post just so that you could disagree with it. I didn't say God wouldn't make you DO something....I said make you something....as in making you materially rich when you desire to be poor. He will give you the desires of your heart.

    You do ask for them....You just don't understand who because you don't know how to ask.


    No it isn't
    No you don't. When you see a post from me, you automatically disagree. I know your ways so don't try to put on sheep's clothing now.
     
  20. RaymondG

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    God decides what His will is, not you. You don't have to power or authority to tell all people what is and isn't his will.....nor can you say this or that will never be His will.
     
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