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Featured Desiring to be rich is a snare.

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by W2L, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    1 Timothy 6:9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.

    Any thoughts on this scripture?
     
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  2. W2L

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    Matthew 13:22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
     
  3. christianforumsuser

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    Whether someone is somewhat high or low in the world he should realize how poor, lacking, and weak he is. If he has sin in his heart and yet seeks money for his own vain pleasures apart from God what a wicked useless man is he? I hope to not be like the people of the world.

    Have the right heart that the original gospel can grow in

    If I need knowledge and money and power...while people of the world work against me what can I do but pray and gain by and for God
    Else I can't "redeem the time" and am hindered by carnal men who deceive by pointing out that I'm not like them and claim to be righteous. They run the governments, the computers, the food supplies, have cars and own the land I'm in.
     
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  4. Rene Loup

    Rene Loup A saved wolf among sheep. Supporter

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    Money can be a huge enabler for selfish and sinful behavior. For example, I remember seeing this one YouTube comment asking why doesn't anyone ever try to oppose George Soros for his alleged funding of many bad things in the world. Another user replied, "Would you try to stop him if he walked into your office, dropped a sack of money on your desk and then walked out?" It's an enabler for the rich person because he can use his wealth to place himself above the law and it's an enabler for the person accepting the money since it represents what Edmund Burke once said: All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    When you look at lottery winners, you find that as many as 70% of them go broke within five years. Many get in trouble with the law, many blow it all on unnecessary things like drugs, parties, and expensive luxury, and many even become targets of very dishonest people with a strong sense of entitlement. It ranges from exploiting kindness to scamming to stealing to even murder just to get a slice of the pie. It's why in places like Europe and Australia they keep the identity of lottery winners a secret because of those kind of people.

    Finally, greed is also permanently destroying our environment and causing long term health risks in our descendants just for a temporary spike in profits. There will come a time where our greed cannot sustain the planet and Jesus said that if these days were not cut short, there would be no one left to save. One of the reasons for that I believe is that our planet will eventually become unlivable should we continue to exist without God's intervention.
     
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  5. W2L

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    Proverbs 23:4 Do not overwork to be rich;
    Because of your own understanding, cease!
    5 Will you set your eyes on that which is not?
    For riches certainly make themselves wings;
    They fly away like an eagle toward heaven.
     
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  6. christianforumsuser

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    Even a small sin is bad. And prevents a man from entering Heaven
    People seem to think just somehow they'll get in....just because they have money and credentials...they hate hearing anyone tell them they're a sinner with sin in their heart
    They only listen to soothsaying that agrees with their own thoughts...and complain pointing fingers playing victim. It's the delusion. But even the poorer people are rich. It's not so divided. Everyone is in that system/world.
    But indeed it is divided and they all talk.
     
  7. W2L

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    Proverbs 4:23 Keep your heart with all diligence,
    For out of it spring the issues of life.
     
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    Thanks Wayholka.
     
  9. christianforumsuser

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    Everyone does bad stuff. I could tell you it's not so bad....but I'm not your friend
    Bad people....good people...If I could bluntly quote Scripture without bowing and cowering before social norms...not to go out of my way to be rude but that I don't have to conform to every culture necessarily
    Else I'd have to skirt around so many phrases that might offend such as "women are weak" which by nature is said to be a fact. But it's a courtesy not a requirement if I use different wording
    I can't offer you silver or gold
    Some people would pass right on by after hearing that
     
  10. faroukfarouk

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    Kind of cuts across a lot of North American life, doesn't it? :)

    For the believer, prayer and the Scriptures and Christian fellowship must come first.
     
  11. christianforumsuser

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    Eat healthy food. Don't just tough through garbage and nonsense as if that's something honorable if that only fuels that sort of culture and economy
    Have sensitive senses to discern good and evil and what's poison and overly sweet
    But also don't necessarily eat natural good quality food only to look the part of holy and righteous
    Imposters...wolves trying to look like sheep
     
  12. W2L

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    As well as other countries.
     
  13. Hank77

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    Yes, I think Paul's thought should be completed so that is read in context.

    1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
    1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    What Paul is talking about is to love money so much that one will do anything to get it, such as breaking the law. There is nothing wrong with making a lot of money if it is made honestly and shared with those in need. There is nothing wrong with being given a lot of money, it is a greedy heart that is the problem.
     
  14. W2L

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    Yes, and he says that those who desire to be rich fall into a snare. Does the scripture you posted contradict the one i posted?
     
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    Paul says that those who desire to be rich err from the faith,.
     
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    How could the scripture contradict the scripture? But it is good to read the complete thought don't you think?
    Those who desire to be rich fall into a snare For, because,.....they love money to the point of coveting it.
    Coveting is not a normal desire for the right reasons but a longing for money that drives one to take what isn't theirs and often by unrighteous means.
    "Thou shall not covet"
    Focusing on money to the point of be a slave to it.
     
  17. W2L

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    Of course there is no contradiction. Paul clearly says that those who desire to be rich err from the faith. He also says that we should be content with food and clothing.
     
  18. Hank77

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    Yes, to be content, in other words not to be discontent. Contentment does not mean that one cannot prosper in a contented manner. Neither does it mean to avoid prospering in financial matters. Indeed if we all just had enough to care for ourselves we wouldn't have the means to help the poor, widows, and orphans, as we are told to do. Then we would have a contradiction in the scriptures.
    Was the Apostle John out of line in praying this for his friend?

    3Jn 1:1 The Elder to Gaius the beloved, whom I love in truth!
    3Jn 1:2 beloved, concerning all things I desire thee to prosper, and to be in health, even as thy soul doth prosper,
     
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  19. christianforumsuser

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    How many years does a man boast before he realizes what the Bible meant by orphans and repents

    People have the wrong basing. They continue debating and trying to imitate Jesus
    It's like stalkers trying to please a suitor and refusing to hear that they the insane
    Women want to marry a rich one

    Even if they say "ohhhhhh OK I'm the INSANE?" they still just sound fake voice like "ok I finally to trick Him and please Him" still stalker crazy person fanatic
    Wolves and snakes...very tricky demonic but smile so holy sing tradition
    The Bible say this about demon a and puff up weirdos a byword and lies but some desperate for help
    Go buy some oil say to the virgins or harlots hahaha sick of this shhhhi
     
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  20. W2L

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    I never said we couldnt prosper and help the poor. Desiring to be rich is a snare however, it causes us to err from the faith. Paul said we should be content with food and clothing. Thats the faith we have been taught.
     
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